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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
It would be good if you could say, on the record, who the VP for international students is, because we are saying “she”.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
Can you say who that is?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
I will try not to cover the ground that my colleagues have covered, but it is important to re-emphasise just how devastating the situation is not only for the university’s staff and students, but for the wider community in Dundee, which is my city—the city in which I live. A lot of the folk who are directly affected are neighbours in the city and they really care about the university.
I have spent some time speaking to all the major unions that represent the workforce, and they are devastated about the numbers in the recovery plan. They are also hugely concerned about the university’s ability to continue to function as a world-class institution, which really matters, not just to the University of Dundee, but to the city of Dundee and the wider economic region. That is why I will say again what I have said before and what everyone has said: the current proposals are not acceptable. It was good to hear you say that you are open to alternative proposals, which will be welcomed, particularly by the unions.
You mentioned to Jackie Dunbar that you have been speaking to the unions throughout. However, she hit the nail on the head when she talked about different forms of consultation. The unions do not feel as though they have been consulted. Instead, they feel that they have been called to meetings in order for you to tick a box and say, “Right, that’s us met the unions again today, so let’s get back to doing what we’re going to do.”
Everyone is telling you that the plan is not acceptable as it is. I do not think that it is possible to have a plan that will protect the university’s reputation without your working closely with your trade union members. They recognise the challenges and that the issues cannot just be ignored. You cannot put your head in the sand and move on as before. They are willing to play their part, but there needs to be meaningful engagement. It would be good to hear your assurance that you have a genuine commitment to meaningfully engage with your workforce. At this point, that would be really helpful.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
Are you be able to break down what that is made up of? What portion of it relates to international students and what portion relates to employer national insurance contributions?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
Just last year?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
We would appreciate the workings and how you got to those figures. Those are big numbers that are being bandied around.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
Thank you. Such an approach will help as we go forward.
The other thing that I want to raise is that we need to work out what all the challenges are. We have talked about the £35 million, but the structural deficit figure of £63 million has also been put into the public domain via a communication to staff. For our understanding, can you break down that £63 million structural deficit?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
I want to go back to the point about who was able to attend the court. One of the big issues relates to international students, so was the VP for international students allowed to attend the court, or was there no reporting on that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
I am not a member of the committee, but I think that it will be keen to see the workings.
It is really important that the independent investigation is genuinely independent. You have said in your answers that it is not for you to say who should be on the list. I get that, but the list of folk should be extensive and it should include all the senior executives. Some names have been mentioned. I am sure that Baroness Alexander and Lord Robertson will have something to contribute. A lot of folk who are in senior management are not here—some are still involved, and some are not. I am not pointing any fingers, by the way, but we need to have a full understanding of how the university has got to where it is.
I hope that the committee will have sight of the inquiry’s terms of reference so that it can be confident that the inquiry will genuinely look at the things that our constituents are concerned about and give an independent assessment so that the university does not get into such a position again. That will be crucial to getting to a point where we continue to have a world-leading research and academic institution in my home city, which is so important to everyone.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 18 March 2025
Joe FitzPatrick
So, you do not have any concern that there might be a hierarchy of which treatments are achieving that most. There does not appear to be a definition in the bill of what “recovery” is. The Thistle centre, for example, is absolutely saving lives—I have no question in my mind about that—but it might not fit the definition under the bill. It should do. It saves lives.