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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

That is helpful. For a number of staff, until the bill got to this committee, it might have seemed pretty distant. All of a sudden, it is in the committee and in the public domain, and it is real, so the staff want to engage and speak about it, and understand how it will impact them.

With regard to the potential impact, there is particular concern among staff in SDS who think that they might be within scope to move. There is a lack of certainty, which Andrew Mott talked about, and there are processes to be gone through. That has had a real impact on staff morale.

I thought that we had quite a strange evidence session last week. The trade union rep from SDS was defending the current system and opposing changes that potentially—from everything that we have been hearing—would mean better pay and conditions, including pensions, for the union’s membership if they moved across. They were really against it, but I guess that that must be because the staff are very concerned about what the change will mean for them, because there is a lack of information.

I would like to hear about how we are going to ensure that, in the process that needs to happen, which Andrew Mott talked about, the staff have as much real information as possible. If they do not have real information coming from Government, the void will be filled with rumours.

10:45  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Can you remind me what the uplift in the budget would be?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I have a couple of other questions in this area. The drugs landscape in Scotland is changing rapidly, particularly in relation to polydrug use and new substances. Is the bill suitably drafted to respond to those emerging challenges?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

The bill talks about a three-week deadline for commencing treatment. I want to tease that out a bit. Sometimes, quite complex preparatory work is required, including psychological interventions and stabilisation, before folk can move on, particularly if they have chosen an abstinence-based treatment pathway. That can take much more than three weeks. How would we manage to square that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

To go back, I think that the bill talks about clinician-led decision making, but you suggested that the patient should be allowed to say, “I want this particular type of treatment.” Are you, indeed, suggesting that, uniquely, patients should be able to dictate their treatment path?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Obviously, budget decisions are normally made in the budget, and Mr Ross did not support the increase in that area this year.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

My questions cover costs and resources, but I think that you have covered most of that theme as we have gone through. We have talked about the Law Society in relation to the McCulloch case. In addition, the Law Society highlighted the potential risk of “significant litigation” arising from the bill. Might you take the opportunity to comment on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

The Law Society’s specific concern—which it suggested was about an “unintended consequence”—was that, if someone did not get the treatment and something then happened, their surviving relatives or partner could sue. Your financial memorandum does not include that litigation cost, but it is obvious that it could be significant.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

So, you have not included any cost for that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I am sorry, but I want to clarify that further. Someone for whom that is an agreed pathway should not expect to immediately—in three weeks’ time—be in a rehab facility, because all that other process would need to happen.