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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Sharon, you mentioned IJBs using reserves. What is the state of reserves across IJBs? What kind of money has built up that has not been used from previous years?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you, convener. I am pleased to be on the committee and I have no relevant interests to declare.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Morning, convener. I, too, have no relevant interests to declare.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

I would be pleased to nominate Ruth Maguire.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Some of those points are absolutely right. What are the outcomes that we are trying to achieve? They are better education and better destinations for young people. The question is how we get there. It will be no surprise to hear me say that the Scottish Government is committed to supporting recruitment of teachers. We are providing local authorities with £145.5 million to protect teacher numbers. Our ambition is clear—it is to close the poverty-related attainment gap.

That is an example of an area of shared responsibility, which is why the work on the outcomes and accountability framework to go alongside the fiscal framework is so important. That work is on-going. In the Verity house agreement, there are specific areas of funding. There is £145.5 million in local government settlements to protect teacher numbers. That is a policy decision of the Scottish Government; I am not sure that I have heard any of the Opposition parties articulating a desire to reduce teacher numbers.

We need to look at the issue. We will make progress by working on the accountability and outcomes framework so that we all have the assurances that we need that the policies, particularly those that are shared between the Scottish Government, the Parliament and councils across Scotland, can move forward in a way that works for everyone.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

I will ask Ian Storrie to come in, but, in general terms, I suggest that that is exactly the kind of analysis that we need to get away from, as it looks at the inputs, which does not help. We are doing things differently. Across local authorities, there is some amazing innovation in the way in which things are happening, and sometimes a piece of work can help many of the outcomes. We need to look at outcomes. I hope that the fiscal framework, with an accountability and assurance framework alongside it, will get us to the point at which, across local government and wider public services, we can focus on what is making a difference for communities in Scotland. Looking at the way that we did stuff 10 years ago, when we do not do any of it in the same way, is not a real comparison.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

We all have roles to play in that. We want to look at outcomes, but often we find ourselves instead going back to the inputs, whether they be the finance or numbers of X or Y. As a Parliament, as a Government and as a society, we need to find a way of shifting our analysis on to what will make the difference. A number of on-going pilots should help us in that respect. The Government cannot do that in isolation—neither can local government or the health service. We need to work in partnership right across the system.

As Ian Storrie said, the Government is putting significant funding into supporting some big-ticket items and work that, I hope, will be preventative in the future. One huge example of that is the Scottish child payment.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

We have to do that. That is why the three principles in the Verity house agreement are key to our moving forward, and why it was crucial for them to be agreed across all the parties. After all, preventative work is not for the here and now but for the long term, so we all need to buy into it.

Politically, there has been buy-in to the principles. Clearly, there are differences in views about how we will take things forward, but we all come from different parties, so there is an understanding that there will be differences in political views in certain areas. However, as far as the basic principles are concerned, there appears to be universal agreement across the Scottish political spectrum.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

This year saw the least transparent process that we have ever experienced in relation to discussions with the UK Government about what was in the autumn statement. The lack of transparency was unheard of, in terms of the scale of what came to Scotland with no discussion. We know that other parts of the UK are facing those challenges, too; members will have heard comments from Welsh finance colleagues in that regard.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

I will let Ian Storrie talk about the complex matter of switching from capital to revenue.

You mentioned RAAC, and it is important that we touch on that. It is slightly separate. Previously, we have set out that we will give consideration to funding for RAAC once we fully understand the scope and nature of what we are dealing with. Work to gather information across the public service is continuing. I would also point out that Scotland is not dealing with the issue in isolation; the cabinet secretary is in regular communication with her UK counterparts about it.

As for the wider capital budget, there has been a 10 per cent real-terms cut, added to which are the challenges in the construction supply chain such as shortages and high inflation. All of that makes it impossible for us to deliver on all the capital projects that we had hoped to deliver on. There was no inflation protection in the capital budget and, as I have said, we are now looking at a 10 per cent fall in real terms.

In no way could local authorities be immune from that. It will be challenging, and we will need to prioritise the things that most support our wider-term priorities, to keep us looking forward sustainably. We will need to come back to the Parliament with a refreshed multiyear capital allocation projection, focusing on the maximum impact that our capital investments can have on delivering the priorities of the Government and the Parliament. However, there is no way that we can have that kind of cut and not feel the impact.

A number of capital projects are already legally committed, so they have to go ahead, which will leave less money. Some cuts in other parts of the budget have been felt much more strongly. I am not going to pretend that there is a magic wand that I can wave to make this go away, because there is not.