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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

My question has largely been covered, but I wanted to ask about the wider issue of improving sustainability in the context of increasing demand and fiscal pressures. Kathrine, you mentioned collaboration as being key to getting there, which comes as no surprise to me as a former health minister. That is what we have been trying to do across the system.

I want to push a bit on how can we do that better. Paul Sweeney mentioned the short-term situation in which an IJB looks at its budget and sees that it can save money, but that often means additional pressure being put elsewhere in the system. Can you widen that out from IJBs and the health boards to third sector partners, unpaid carers and the wider workforce? How can we get a collaboration that brings in the whole system?

I will bring in Kathrine Sibbald, as she has been talking most about collaboration.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Do you think that they are being considered as part of that approach, or is it just a case of thinking, “This will not cost any money, because they will just do the work”?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Paul Sweeney strayed into the area that I was looking to talk about, which is longer-term sustainability and ensuring that there is collaboration, which we heard from the previous panel is key. Caroline Cameron touched on carers, which I also wanted to make sure that we touched on. I want to ensure that, when we talk about collaboration, we are not just talking about the IJB, the council and the health board but also recognise that the third sector, the voluntary sector and unpaid carers are important parts of the system.

How do we ensure that we are collaborating in a joined-up way? The pressures that the system is facing are only going to get more challenging as the population gets older and has more complex needs. I would be grateful if you could answer briefly.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Maybe Sharon Wearing can answer my other question. We have talked a lot about finances for long-term sustainability, but the other side of that is workforce planning and the challenges with that. The services were really impacted by Brexit. Are we getting over that and managing to start recruiting or is it still a real challenge that we are unable to have the full range of people who want to work?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Sharon, you mentioned IJBs using reserves. What is the state of reserves across IJBs? What kind of money has built up that has not been used from previous years?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you, convener. I am pleased to be on the committee and I have no relevant interests to declare.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Morning, convener. I, too, have no relevant interests to declare.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 20 June 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

I would be pleased to nominate Ruth Maguire.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

Some of those points are absolutely right. What are the outcomes that we are trying to achieve? They are better education and better destinations for young people. The question is how we get there. It will be no surprise to hear me say that the Scottish Government is committed to supporting recruitment of teachers. We are providing local authorities with £145.5 million to protect teacher numbers. Our ambition is clear—it is to close the poverty-related attainment gap.

That is an example of an area of shared responsibility, which is why the work on the outcomes and accountability framework to go alongside the fiscal framework is so important. That work is on-going. In the Verity house agreement, there are specific areas of funding. There is £145.5 million in local government settlements to protect teacher numbers. That is a policy decision of the Scottish Government; I am not sure that I have heard any of the Opposition parties articulating a desire to reduce teacher numbers.

We need to look at the issue. We will make progress by working on the accountability and outcomes framework so that we all have the assurances that we need that the policies, particularly those that are shared between the Scottish Government, the Parliament and councils across Scotland, can move forward in a way that works for everyone.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Joe FitzPatrick

I will ask Ian Storrie to come in, but, in general terms, I suggest that that is exactly the kind of analysis that we need to get away from, as it looks at the inputs, which does not help. We are doing things differently. Across local authorities, there is some amazing innovation in the way in which things are happening, and sometimes a piece of work can help many of the outcomes. We need to look at outcomes. I hope that the fiscal framework, with an accountability and assurance framework alongside it, will get us to the point at which, across local government and wider public services, we can focus on what is making a difference for communities in Scotland. Looking at the way that we did stuff 10 years ago, when we do not do any of it in the same way, is not a real comparison.