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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Civil Justice

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Time is tight, so our final contribution will be from Richard Susskind. We hope to be able to influence what will happen, rather than just being spectators. What would having asynchronous hearings, for example, mean in practice?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Again, because of the time, the committee will have to hold back with some of the further questions that we would like to ask.

I thank both of our witnesses for taking the time to join us. Your evidence has been really helpful. I had not realised that Dr Ryan was to be joining us from New York—I hope that it was not too early a start for you, Dr Ryan.

We will now move into private session.

12:49 Meeting continued in private until 13:03.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

As there are no further questions, we move to items 3 and 4, which is the formal business on the instruments. I invite the minister to move motions S6M-01530 and S6M-01531.

Motions moved,

That the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee recommends that The Equality Act 2010 (Specific Duties) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2021 be approved.

That the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee recommends that the Equality Act 2010 (Specification of Public Authorities) (Scotland) Order 2021 be approved.—[Ivan McKee.]

Motions agreed to.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

It is worth putting on the record that, as well as having the four panel members before us, we have received evidence from a wider range of people from various religions. That is part of our written evidence, which members of the public can access.

Most of the witnesses said that clarity is important. That might be a really important point for us to understand. My first question is about what conversion practices are. If a ban were to be introduced, what practices to try to change someone’s gender identity or sexuality do each of the witnesses think should still be allowed?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Can we go to John Greenall first? We did not bring him in for the previous question, so he has been waiting.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

I thank all four of the witnesses. We could continue asking questions but there is only so much time and we have another two panels of witnesses to hear from today.

We will suspend briefly to change witnesses.

11:30 Meeting suspended.  

11:32 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

The committee will make a short factual report on our deliberations on the instruments that we have considered today.

That completes consideration of the instruments. I thank the minister and his officials for attending.

10:05 Meeting suspended.  

10:07 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Okay—on you go.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

Yes, thanks.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Conversion Therapy (PE1817)

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Joe FitzPatrick

The next item is for the committee to continue to take evidence on petition PE1817, which seeks to end conversion therapy. Today we are hearing from organisations that have raised concerns about the petition. I welcome to the meeting Peter Lynas, who is the UK director of the Evangelical Alliance, and Dr John Greenall, who is associate chief executive officer of the Christian Medical Fellowship, both of whom are joining us virtually. I also welcome Piers Shepherd, who is senior researcher at the Family Education Trust, and Anthony Horan, who is the director of the Catholic parliamentary office of the Bishops Conference of Scotland, both of whom join us in the meeting room today. You are all welcome.

I refer members to papers 2, 3, 4 and 5, and invite each of our witnesses to make a short opening statement, starting with Piers Shepherd.