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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you, convener. I am very pleased to join the committee. I have no relevant interests to declare.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2022/23 audit of Lews Castle College”

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Most of the questions that I was going to ask have been covered, but I just want to probe that final point a little bit further. It seems to be pretty incredible that the college management made the decision to impair a value from £4.7 million down to £1 without some evidence that it can show in its accounts or seeking external financial or legal advice. I guess that the solution for the college seems to be for it to seek some external legal advice and then, as Mr Boyle said, it can draw a line under this and move forward in a way that is best for the institution. I hope that the college is watching and listening to what is being said in this committee meeting.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Regarding that engagement, there is no point having local plans if they are only carbon copies of the national plan—there has to be a difference—but it is clearly important that the local plans do not go counter to the national plan and can work together with it. From the initial discussions, does it feel as if that is happening and will be possible?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Okay. Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

It is refreshing to hear the wide range of views. I appreciate people speaking frankly, because it is important that we do not have pillars of what we assume to be fact and that we are prepared to change our thinking on the basis of what we see in real life.

Lindsay Jaacks mentioned community diners, which are an amazing opportunity, because they provide not only potentially healthy, affordable food but a sense of community. There is also an important wellbeing aspect to that, which I think is really good. I had never thought of them in the sense that they are just really convenient, which I think is an extra reason to push for them.

There are a number of models across Scotland, but one that I like best is where the community has come together and has a little piece of land, so people are growing, cooking and eating together and bringing down the cost. There is ultra-localism in terms of where the produce comes from, and the produce is affordable. For me, one of the most important aspects is the wellbeing, including the mental wellbeing, of the folk who are involved and the huge boost that they get. How do we encourage more of that in different places? Mhairi, do you want to go first?

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Are you confident that local authorities and health boards are taking steps to prepare for the point that you say, “Right, that’s it started—you’ve got 12 months”? Is there work going on? I see that Tracy McCollin is nodding.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

How do we make sure that that type of public diner does not become stigmatised and make it clear that it is for everyone? There is a concern about that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

The Good Food Nation (Scotland) Act 2022 requires health boards and local authorities to prepare their own good food nation plans, which is a requirement that you have mentioned a few times, cabinet secretary. That section of the act has not yet commenced, so it would be good to hear your thoughts on when that will happen and how health boards and local authorities’ preparation of those local plans is going.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

I am just trying to understand the numbers. I have a piece of paper that shows the introduction to the draft audit, on which you had handwritten something in order to try and change some of the auditor’s words. It says very clearly at the very bottom—this goes back to 2023-24—that:

“adjusting for non-recurring items, the underlying operational position is a deficit of £11.5 million.”

I do not understand why the urgency of the situation was not realised. We have heard about the £1.2 million figure, but that document talks about £11.5 million. You said that you were not aware of that, but it is there in black and white, and you have not tried to change that bit.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Joe FitzPatrick

Thanks very much for coming along today, Professor Gillespie. It is appreciated. It is important that we understand what has happened.

Like the witnesses at yesterday’s meeting, you have apologised, and you have told us that that is heartfelt. I am not sure that that cuts it for the staff and students who will be watching, but it is definitely better that you did that than not.

However, folk are still hugely concerned about their jobs and their studies. There is real concern about how the university manages to move on. That is why it is important that we get as many answers as possible from this meeting.

The convener asked about the covenant, but that was a specific thing. Putting aside that and the irregularities in the evidence that we have had on it, when were you aware of how bad the financial situation was at the University of Dundee? When was there first a red flag that something was not right, never mind the technicalities?