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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Bob Doris

I thank both our witnesses for supporting our pre-budget scrutiny this morning.

The committee has heard a lot about the need for greater flexibility in funding. Of course organisations would like more money, but we know the climate that we are in and, even without more money, greater flexibility would help voluntary organisations. We have heard about more money for core costs and about how a small percentage of the money from grants could be put into reserves for future resilience. We have heard about unrestricted funds and more general flexibilities, and how money can be spent to meet outcomes.

Any reflections that our witnesses have on those matters or on other potential flexibilities would be welcome, including any benefits or potential drawbacks. We will start with Lynn.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Bob Doris

That is helpful. One way to build in the flexibilities that the third sector requires is to have a close working relationship as funds are developed—almost like co-produced funding mechanisms. Those funds might be fit for purpose and the process would build trust between the funder and the third sector. Ran, are you aware of any examples of that? Would you like to see that rolled out?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

I see that Dr Nurse wants to come in.

This is not a constitutional point, because it is about the UK Government and the Scottish Government, but it is also about the Scottish Government and local authorities, which also have a statutory role.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

To go back to my initial question, does David Hawkey want to comment on the data or information that the Parliament would need to see before it agreed to a five-year carbon budget?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

I will move on to the next question, but if you want to mop up any of those previous points, that is fine. The Parliament will have to scrutinise the five-year budgets, which is currently intended to be done by the affirmative procedure. Are you content with that approach, or does it need to shift?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

I see nodding heads among the other witnesses. I apologise to David Hawkey, but I will leave it at that, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

I will be incredibly brief. I do not think that, in a framework bill, we can legislate for a cultural change in how Governments liaise with one another, but my colleague Monica Lennon is absolutely right that partnership working will be absolutely crucial.

In relation to that, when the committee comes to scrutinise the five-year carbon budgets, would it be more helpful to have a longer line of sight and more certainty over Scotland’s capital budget? I am conscious that we set annual budgets in the Scottish Parliament, but I am talking about capital budgets over a 15-year period.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

There is some helpful overlap in some of this. When Parliament comes to scrutinise the five-year carbon budgets, we want to make sure that they are ambitious but also that they are realistic—I think that Dr Nurse is quite clear about being realistic.

We have spoken a bit about the pounds and pence requirements, and Professor Ulph talked about the fiscal constraints and what the costs will be, but, more generally, what information does Parliament need to have at its disposal? I am talking about information not about the bill but about the five-year carbon budgets that the bill enables. What data or information does Parliament need in order to effectively scrutinise whether any carbon budget that comes to this place for consideration is ambitious and realistic? I ask Dr Nurse to respond first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Bob Doris

That is helpful. It is about the art of the achievable—about whether we have enough data and can ensure that sectors will have capacity to deliver the stuff that you mentioned about heat in buildings.

Professor Ulph, you mentioned the data that would be required to ensure that the policy is fiscally achievable. Will you say a little more about that? What data should the Parliament have ahead of considering not only the climate change plan but the five-year carbon budgets?