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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I do not see any other takers, so, without putting words in your mouth, I will just nudge you slightly on the connections and locations that should be prioritised as part of that project. I expect your clear answer to be, of course, the work around the Acorn project and the wider Grangemouth cluster, for the benefit of the Scottish economy. However, is there any other prioritisation in the Scottish context that you think should happen? You do not have to give an answer to that. It is just that we heard earlier on that, although it is hoped that we will do everything that is required to be done, the uncertainty about when it will happen, and the sequencing of how it will happen, is leading to some uncertainty for business investment. Investors want that certainty and to get back their investment; they want to know whether the structure will be there. Has that been your experience in talking with investors? Are there any other parts of Scotland where that network should be prioritised?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I will turn to Professor Haszeldine. Do you want to add to that? I was going to ask you a separate question, but any reflection on that is welcome.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

There are lots of reasonable points in that. You made a comment about potentially exporting hydrogen, and you mentioned a pipeline to Germany. That is interesting, because David Amos, I think, who was on the first panel, took a different view. He spoke about a different pipeline that would cost about £2 billion. I see that Scottish Government research shows that, even if our hydrogen was sold at high prices compared with global prices, there could still be a market for that because the EU would not have enough hydrogen to meet its needs. We also heard earlier that there are lots of ways of driving down the price of hydrogen.

I think that it was Mr Amos who suggested that that would be a good-quality investment for future export opportunities. I think that he compared that pipeline to Germany with cables moving energy down the east coast to serve the north-east of England, which he said would cost £24 billion to complete. He questioned whether that was for consumption and use in England or whether wider infrastructure would be built up to use hydrogen for other things, such as they are hoping to do at the Grangemouth cluster. Indeed, he queried why we would not develop that capability in Scotland.

We are trying to get our heads around where that investment should go, why it should go there and whether that might compromise future potential Scottish jobs and growth, depending on what that the infrastructure looks like. Another witness, who we thought was an expert, took the converse view from yours about having a pipeline to Germany. Rather than my putting a specific question to you, I am keen to have your reflections on all that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I have no more questions, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I will be disciplined and will not follow up on some of the interesting points that you made there, as I must move on to my next question, given the time constraints.

We have heard primarily, but not exclusively, about green and blue hydrogen. Do the different forms of hydrogen production affect how we plan for future transportation infrastructure? Does the balance between green and blue matter for investment in that infrastructure?

I am seeing no takers on that. David Amos might want to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

We have heard quite a lot about making sure that we can get the hydrogen to where it needs to be and where it has to be used, and we heard a little bit from Lewis Elder about project union. According to my notes, that is the plan for 1,500 miles of hydrogen transmission network by the early 2030s. However, Lewis talked about limitations in the existing network as well as barriers to getting on to it. How important is the development of that particular network? Given that it will not all happen at one time, what connections and locations should be prioritised as the network is developed to support hydrogen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

You talk about joining all this up in a network and priority areas for developing, and you gave some welcome news for the next stage. Putting aside the timescale, the phasing and the prioritisation, is there anything that project union is not doing but should be doing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I have no further questions. For the record, I point out that Mr Ireland was agreeing with that as you were saying it, Tim.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I am sure that another member will let you come back in later. It is one of those issues on which another witness seemed to give a converse view, so I was trying to work out where we are with it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I feel like we are almost having a hydrogen economy version of “Yes Minister”, listening to all this. I am not an expert, and that is something that I need to get my head around and work out the best way forward, so I really appreciate that.

Mercedes Maroto-Valer, do you want to come in?