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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you very much.

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for attending. As that concludes the public part of our meeting, we will move into private session to consider the remaining agenda items.

09:21 Meeting continued in private until 09:25.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you, cabinet secretary.

Before we move to agenda item 6, it is worth putting it on the record that the committee did a very brief inquiry into the Scottish child payment, and although we very much welcomed the positive impact that it was having, we identified the need for additional data, including on approaches to tackling child poverty being taken not only in Scotland but in England, and the need for a longitudinal study that would provide additional evidence on the benefits of the payment. I thought that this was an appropriate time to put that on the record, Ms Smith.

You do not have to give us your reflections on that, cabinet secretary, but you are welcome to respond if you wish.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Bob Doris

Our next agenda item is consideration of a United Kingdom statutory instrument, the Scotland Act 1998 (Agency Arrangements) (Specification) Order 2024, which is subject to the negative procedure.

The main purpose of the instrument is to specify certain functions as exercisable in connection with winter heating assistance under section 30 of the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018. Those functions relate to winter heating assistance for pensioners and do not relate to other forms of winter heating assistance that the Scottish ministers have previously introduced. The detailed arrangements for those functions will be set out in an agency agreement between the United Kingdom Government and the Scottish Government and the instrument allows for such arrangements to be agreed.

As no member has any comments to make on the instrument, do members agree that the committee does not wish to make any further recommendations in relation to the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Bob Doris

Thank you, cabinet secretary. We will move to the committee’s questions.

First, will the regulations and the changes that we are looking at this morning make it more likely that people will apply for support with funeral costs outwith their local area? If so, has that been factored into the costs?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2024

Bob Doris

Did you want to follow up on that, Mr O’Kane?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Bob Doris

That was very helpful, and what you have said will please the convener, as it links with my next question. That is good for keeping us timeous.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Bob Doris

Of course, convener. I have a line of questioning that I would like to explore. I am sure that you will let me do so, following that session of supplementary questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Bob Doris

Okay. We are talking about a threshold of 3,000 hectares, but I am conscious that we are limiting the proposals to a single composite and contiguous holding. We are not looking at aggregated corporate holdings. Linda Gillespie, I give you an opportunity to comment on the idea of ensuring that we incorporate aggregated holdings as well as single holdings. Do you have any views on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Bob Doris

That is helpful. I saw Josh Doble nodding as you made that comment. Do you want to add anything, Dr Doble?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Bob Doris

I am sure that we will return to that. You mentioned proportionality. We will perhaps return to ensuring that the framework for alleged breaches in enforcement compliance is proportionate. There is a limited framework in that regard. In the bill, the maximum fine for non-compliance is £5,000, and it refers to, but is not explicit about, the potential cross-compliance issues. Are you content that £5,000 is enough? I imagine that it will cost a lot more than £5,000 to produce a land management plan in the first place. Have we got that framework right? Jon Hollingdale, will you comment on that?