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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 February 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Shall we hear from the witnesses who are participating online, Jeremy?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will bring in David Bell, but I promised to take Tom Wernham first.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will not ask colleagues which of them remember that, Mr Bell, but I am certainly aware of it.

I bring in Michael Marra, who has a supplementary. We were coming to his questions anyway.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

The question was indeed brief, and we had brief yet very important, answers, too.

As I conclude our evidence-taking session, I thank the witnesses both in the room and online for their support of our pre-budget scrutiny. If you have other reflections, please drop an email to the clerks—we will be keen to consider them in our on-going budget scrutiny.

That concludes our public business for this morning. We will now move to agenda item 4, which will be taken in private session.

10:52 Meeting continued in private until 11:06.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Welcome back, everyone—those who are old and new to the committee. We have apologies today from our convener, Collette Stevenson, who cannot be with us this morning.

Agenda item 1 is a declaration of interests. I welcome Alexander Stewart, Michael Marra and Carol Mochan as new members of the committee—thank you for joining us. I invite those who have not previously attended a committee meeting in this parliamentary session to declare any interests that are relevant to the work of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

It is always less than exciting when there is nothing to declare, but there we are.

I understand that, before we move on to the next agenda item, Jeremy Balfour wants to make a short declaration.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Before I bring in David Phillips, I point out that we will explore the block grant in more detail under theme 5—Marie McNair will ask some questions on that. There have been several mentions of the block grant, but there will be opportunities to discuss that further later on.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I am sorry, David, but we will mix it up a little bit. There is a tendency to take the people in the room first rather than people online. That is my fault as convener. I am the one who has to manage that properly and I have not been doing it, so we will hear from David Phillips next.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Before I bring you in, Professor Bell, I should say that the main recommendation that we get from researchers at this committee is that there should be more research done.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

David Bell, do you want to come in?