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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Jeremy, I am absolutely going to take you next, but I should say that time is almost upon us, so I ask that you make your question brief, if possible.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful—thank you. I have no further questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

Convener, your questions about prices have made me think about the need to ensure that the market is operating properly for consumers, because the prices that you gave indicate that there could be price gouging in the system. It is necessary for consumers to get a number of quotes to ensure that they get best value.

Do our witnesses have any advice to give to ensure that, as people move to ground-source heat pumps, they are not price gouged by less-than-reputable operators in the market who might wish to extract maximum profit rather than provide public and community benefits?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

Did you want to come back in, convener?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will move on to my second-last question—I want to come back to contingencies after this, convener.

There is a suggestion in my notes that the Climate Change Committee wants to see reduced demand for meat and some dietary change. I would always encourage people to use locally sourced meat with high welfare standards and to buy Scottish, but there will be imports in the meat sector. What contribution could reducing or eliminating the imports make to our net zero ambitions? Could that offset some of the requirements to reduce livestock numbers that have been suggested by the Climate Change Committee?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is absolutely fine, convener—the caffeine was very helpful.

I will move to the issue of agriculture. As we know, the Climate Change Committee has suggested a sustainable and balanced pathway to net zero. You have been clear that there are other routes that could be taken, but that that balanced pathway still has to be secured.

The Scottish Government has not taken up the cudgels in relation to the policy to reduce livestock numbers—it is looking for another solution in that regard. Can you talk about what the implications of that Scottish Government decision might be for emissions reductions in the agricultural sector and beyond?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

I have a final question on contingencies. I will not explore the health benefits—we will leave that sitting for the moment.

On carbon budgets and reaching net zero, it is for the Scottish Government to say what its alternative route looks like in relation to peatland and livestock numbers, but you have mentioned contingencies. Will you say a little more about the extent of those contingencies that would have to be exercised to bring the Scottish Government’s policies—such as they are likely to be when the climate change plan is ultimately published—back into line for the balanced pathway to net zero?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

Could you clarify something a little bit? Are we effectively saying that the strategy of the Climate Change Committee would have been to use the land that is being used by cattle and livestock today for other purposes to help meet our net zero targets, but that that land will now no longer be available? Can you quantify the amount of land that would have to become mixed use? How would we square that circle? I know that that is for the Scottish Government to set out, rather than for you, but do you have any thoughts in relation to that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is a reasonable answer. You have hinted at land use in relation to not reducing livestock numbers. Perhaps you could say a little bit more about that. If we are not reducing the headcount of livestock, will that have a negative impact on the available land for reforesting and woodlands and so on? If we keep the headage of the dairy and red meat sectors as it is now, what might the knock-on effect be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. You have touched on some other aspects that I want to ask about, particularly in relation to peatlands. I might come back to the point about contingencies at the end. The Scottish Government has spoken about not following advice on peatland restoration, as I think you were referring to, Dr Devane. It has said that it will set ambitions

“at a realistic level supported by measures to increase delivery capacity”.

Do you have an idea of what that might mean in practice? The issue is what the implications would be of not following the advice set out by the Climate Change Committee. I suspect that you might be talking about contingencies, but perhaps we could deal with that at the end. The Scottish Government is doing a number of things where it may have to rely on other contingencies to get to a balanced pathway.