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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Bob Doris
Thank you, Sarah. We could have asked lots more questions, but we are under time constraints.
Thank you, Professor Reid and Professor Jones, for supporting us in our scrutiny this morning. If you have any further reflections, please follow up in correspondence. We have a couple of questions that we did not get around to asking, so we will make you aware of those, and we would welcome any reflections on them.
That concludes the public part of the meeting.
11:15 Meeting continued in private until 11:22.Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Bob Doris
That would be helpful.
Professor Jones, do you have any reflections on the definition before I move on to my next question?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Bob Doris
Can I just check something? I again refer to our time constraints, for which I apologise. Are the public bodies listed in Wales? Who decides what the public bodies are?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Bob Doris
Those comments are very helpful, and they will certainly be helpful when we talk about the powers of the commissioner and their role later.
Before we move on to our next line of questioning, Professor Jones, do you have any reflections on Professor Reid’s comments, or do you have any views on the matter yourself?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Bob Doris
We will find out once we go into private session.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Bob Doris
I get the complexities. Local authorities might look at franchising in a very different way to one another. SPT is trying to shepherd its proposals in a strategic and robust way with a clear business plan. Has there been any discussion at all between the Government and COSLA, local authorities or SPT about potential future costings and what the financing might look like?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Bob Doris
Yes, convener. However, I hope that you do not mind me saying at the start that the best way that MSPs can support bus services is to use them. As a non-driver, I frequently use buses with my family in Glasgow. The best way that we can support buses is to drive patronage up and not down.
I will turn to SPT and its proposals. My understanding is that its new strategy was published in September, and it included progressing with franchising, for which it intends to have costings in December this year. It looks as though its plans are on track. However, I have also seen it reported from some SPT projections that the annual running costs of franchising—not the set-up costs—could be up to £85 million or as low as £45 million per year, so there is a massive range in costings and in the expectations of what franchising might look like in practice. One commercial operator speculated that it could be hundreds of millions of pounds per year.
We can make the process as robust and detailed as we like and we can protect it against legal challenges as much as we like, but if the money is not there to deliver it, it ain’t going to happen. Getting the money is a collective endeavour. The SPT has progressed with its proposals, but there are lots of other partners, one of which is the Scottish Government. So, my question is this: has there been any discussion with the cabinet secretary about how any of that might be funded?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Bob Doris
That is perfectly reasonable. I just wanted to put on the record that we could get the process perfect, but if there is no money to fund it, it ain’t going happen anyway.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Bob Doris
My final questions are more general. You helpfully mentioned that there is an appreciation of the fact that cars are an absolute lifeline and necessity for many reasons in remote and rural areas, even when those areas have enhanced public transport. Should we expect constraints on the growth in car usage to be more predominant in urban areas? Will you give some examples of the current actions that the Scottish Government is taking—notwithstanding the new plan that will be published shortly—to reduce car usage or to encourage a switch to public transport?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Bob Doris
That is helpful, thank you.