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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Bob Doris

Again, because of time constraints, I will not explore that further.

I will turn to my final comment on the definition. This point does not mean that I disagree with the policy intent of any of this, but I think that there might be a need for clarity. I think that the witnesses on the previous panel pretty much all agreed that, if an individual left a barbecue in an open area and it led to a forest fire and there was significant damage, that would be seen as an ecocide event. However, we heard in the same evidence session that the policy intent is also to create a corporate offence at the very highest level.

A forest fire is an event at a very serious and high level, but that does not necessarily mean that it is a corporate offence. Is there a blurring around the intention of the bill? If we have an offence in relation to barbecue fires, and then a corporate offence at the highest level, they seem to rub up against each other a bit. I do not know whether you heard the previous evidence session, but do you have any comments on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

That being the case, I can now thank the cabinet secretary for battling through the evidence sessions, and I thank her officials in both sessions, too.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses as we move to item 6.

09:33 Meeting suspended.  

09:47 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

As this might be our final question, I will ensure that every witness gets the opportunity to put on the record the low-cost, high-impact suggestions that they want to see.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you, Fiona.

I thank all our witnesses for their helpful, focused and tight contributions, because we have landed within our timescale for completing the evidence session.

Next week, we will hear from the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice as part of our final pre-budget scrutiny evidence session.

10:38 Meeting continued in private until 11:10.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Welcome back. We now move to agenda item 6, which is a pre-budget scrutiny evidence session.

I welcome to the meeting Leah Duncan-Karrim, who is the policy and influencing lead at One Parent Families Scotland, and Adam Stachura, who is the associate director of policy, communications and external affairs at Age Scotland.

We hope to be joined online by Fiona Collie, who is the head of public affairs and communications at Carers Scotland, and Allan Faulds, who is the senior policy officer at the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland—known as the ALLIANCE. There are some technical difficulties, but we hope that they will join us during the course of this morning’s meeting.

Jeremy Balfour will ask the first questions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will bring in Allan Faulds, as he has not had the opportunity to put anything on the record.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will bring in Fiona Collie, who has just managed to get online. I am not sure whether you heard the question. In essence, as we try to meet the shortfall in the block grant in Scotland’s social security investment, that could impact other services elsewhere and it could lead to cuts. It could also have a detrimental impact on the groups of people that we are trying to help with additional cash payments. Do you have any reflections on that, Fiona?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Leah Duncan-Karrim mentioned that in an earlier answer. Do you want to expand on that, Leah?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

As no other witnesses want to come in, Carol do you want to add anything before we move on?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Bob Doris

Of course. Take your time, cabinet secretary.