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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
Our next item of business is our second evidence session on the Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.
I welcome to the meeting Adam Milne, senior policy advocate, Carnegie UK; Frances Guy, chief executive officer, Scotland’s International Development Alliance; Kristers Lukins, member of the Scottish Youth Parliament for Dundee City West; Skye Allan, member of the Scottish Youth Parliament for Dumfriesshire; and Lloyd Austin, convener of the governance group at Scottish Environment LINK.
I also welcome to the meeting our two British Sign Language interpreters, Tessa and Mags. I thank them for joining us. That allows me to say to Kristers in BSL good morning, and welcome to the Scottish Parliament. I apologise for my poor signing. One point that I will take from this meeting is that I could perhaps learn a bit more about how to sign, which would be a good skill to have.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
Thank you. Would Kristers Lukins or Skye Allan like to add to the conversation about whether the bill could achieve policy coherence?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
I will pass on to Sarah Boyack in a moment. First, there is a question that we probably should have asked when Mr Milne was speaking earlier. I should give you this opportunity, Adam. You mentioned that Carnegie UK had outlined six possible operating models to deliver the ambitions around wellbeing and sustainable development, and the commissioner’s establishment and office was one of those models in the pursuit of those aims—so there would be five others. I am, of course, happy for you to refer us to written evidence, but do you wish to say anything for the Official Report in relation to those other potential models?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
Thank you, Adam. I just wanted to give you the opportunity to put some of that on the record.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
Okay. Skye, you do not have to add anything, but do you wish to?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
Your question was not quite the same as the one that I was going to ask, Mr Balfour, although it was similar.
You will all be aware of this, but the Children and Young People’s Commissioner was wary of establishing a new commissioner, due to potential overlap with that commissioner’s work and remit. I have lost my place in the briefing, but I think that the Scottish Environment Protection Agency mentioned other organisations such as Environmental Standards Scotland that could play a role without a commissioner having to be established. Given the possibility of overlap and other organisations being able to do this work, would spending money on a new commissioner be money well spent, or could it be better spent in other ways?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
Lloyd Austin, do you have a view on this?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
In that case, I come to Skye Allan and then Kristers Lukins. This is your opportunity to put on record anything that our lines of questioning have not given you the opportunity to put on record this morning in relation to your work with MSYPs and other young people.
I will take you first, Skye.
Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
I thank all our witnesses and, indeed, Tessa Slaughter and Mags Greig for helping to facilitate this morning’s meeting. It was very kind of them.
That concludes our public business. We will now move into private session to consider the very valuable evidence that we have heard.
10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:09.Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 October 2025
Bob Doris
That is helpful. Has the Scottish Youth Parliament had the opportunity to look at what has happened in Wales? If so, do Kristers Lukins and Skye Allan wish to comment?