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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 March 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you, Frances. It is almost as though you have seen my next question, which is on the national performance framework. Before I ask it, does Adam Milne want to come in?|

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. We have a variance of views across the panel, then. Adam was very clear that legislation is required, but our other witnesses were a bit more open minded.

We should probably take Frances Guy first to answer the next question. She mentioned the national performance framework. The Scottish Government’s proposals are aligned to Scotland’s national outcomes in the national performance framework that exists. Whether it is working well is another matter, but it exists. Is legislation required to bolster activity relating to sustainable development and wellbeing under the outcomes in the framework?

I will take a step back from that question and reword it slightly. Is there a framework there that could work very well if the Government used it properly and there was a proper focus?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you. That is helpful, because it suggests that, whether or not we legislate, something has to change in relation to the framework.

Adam Milne, do you want to add anything?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Welcome back, everyone. I return to Mr Balfour.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

We will absolutely be looking at the commissioner’s role during the evidence session. Thank you for that.

I turn to Skye Allan and Kristers Lukins. Does the Scottish Youth Parliament believe that passing the bill is the only way to secure policy coherence?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Before we move on, I want to check something that Lloyd Austin said. Lloyd, I do not have a particular view on this, but I would like to clarify what you said. You mentioned that the phrase “sustainable economic growth” has been used a lot over the years but is not used so much now. Do you believe that sustainable economic growth is desirable or possible?

The reason why I am asking about that is that some people—not necessarily me; I am open minded—might think that questioning sustainable economic growth and passing the legislation that is before us could be a constraint on the pursuit of sustainable economic growth in itself. You can write to us on that if you want. I just want to give you an opportunity to put something on the record in that regard.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. We will move on to questions from Mr Balfour. I would appreciate a comfort break in about five or 10 minutes. If you have not finished all your questions, Mr Balfour, that is absolutely fine—we will take a short break and then we will recommence.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Skye and Kristers, I am going to give you both the last word, so I will not take your responses just now. When you make your final comments, you can mention the costs of setting up the commissioner’s office and anything else that you feel that you have not had the opportunity to say this morning. Please do not feel bound by that specific question.

Adam, do you have any comments?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Frances?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you very much, Sarah. There was one more question that members had hoped to ask, which we kind of referred to when we were asking about value for money. I should ask it as it has been set out, and our witnesses can either respond to it or not.

Looking at the cost of establishing the commissioner’s office in the financial memorandum, I note that its running costs—not the cost of establishing it—are estimated at £1.26 million each year, and that the Welsh commissioner’s budget in the most recent financial year was £1.8 million. I just wanted to put that on the record and ask the witnesses whether they have any reflections on those costs. You do not have to have any, but that was the only question that we have not asked today.

This is slightly unusual, Sarah, but I am not asking you to answer that question—I just wanted to know whether you wanted to roll another question into that one. If so, you can do so, because I am conscious of the tradition of allowing the member in charge of the bill to ask their questions after all the other questions have been exhausted. It was just an error on our part that we had not asked that question.

I will leave my question sitting there. Is there any related question that you wanted to ask, Sarah?