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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 March 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

I am about to bring in Jenny Munro on a specific question about the RTPI, but I will flag my final question. Will there be opportunities—if a commissioners office worked well—for long-term cost savings? I will leave that question hanging there—I will ask you all about the long-term cost savings of such an investment, as it would be helpful to get comments on that.

Jenny, I did not want to have you here without asking you about pressures on local authorities and planning departments. I suppose that, theoretically, that could be another pressure on local authority planning departments. Are they well placed to deal with what the bill would introduce, whether that is a new responsibility or a clear statutory focus on an existing responsibility? Are there any financial implications for local authorities?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

That concludes our public business for the day.

10:10 Meeting continued in private until 11:22.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

It was a helpful tangent, Ellie. We will listen back to your evidence and we will consider it. It all helps the committee to form its views, so thank you.

Emma, do you want to add anything?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful. I will come to you next, Jenny. Turning to my prompt question—in case this had not already come up—Emma Hunter has suggested that the national performance framework and Scotland’s national outcomes have not really been as effective as we wanted them to be. If we can work well, being clearer and more focused and with a more deliverable approach, might that be a better way of doing things than the proposed legislation—or, rather, an alternative to the legislation, as “a better way” is more of a biased comment? Do you have any comments to make on that, Jenny?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

You can have one more if you want.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

I am not trying to put you on the spot. If you could come back to us with some more information, that would genuinely be helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

Could you expand on that a little bit? Thinking of the underlying question, the committee will be wrestling with what are desirable policy objectives. Do we legislate to secure those, or are there potential other routes under the national performance framework?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful for the committee to hear.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

I will stick with you, Duncan. I am not trying to contradict you in relation to the Welsh experience but, although the evidence that we have had in relation to the Welsh experience has been broadly positive, 10 years in, that is more to do with a cultural change and a change in awareness, rather than any tangible, concrete improvements. I hope that I am not misrepresenting the evidence—please just tell me if I have got that wrong.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

I will follow up briefly. I am in danger of putting my knowledge gap on the record. Earlier, Ellie Twist mentioned case law relating to a judge enforcing what “due regard” should mean in practice and saying that it should be substantial, meaningful and tangible. Does the bill have a judicial pathway to enforcement? Earlier, I asked you what teeth the bill had, and you did not mention any judicial route. Can we use that case law meaningfully in relation to this bill?

I am conscious that Jenny Munro has also spoken about the fact that the bill should not give any additional duties. The purpose of the bill, in theory, would be to enforce what we already want to see happen, and that is why I asked the question about teeth. Is there a judicial route? What routes are there for enforcement when local authorities or public bodies are not meeting those responsibilities?