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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning. Minister, I was pleased to hear you say that you want to do everything that you can to speed up investment, so I want to make some suggestions to you about the things that we can do now. I also sit on the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, which, yesterday, heard from five energy companies and the general manager of the Acorn project on the hydrogen economy and project willow. One of the major barriers is that more than 70 per cent of the costs of green hydrogen relate to electricity. Those costs can be brought down, and some suggestions were made about how to do that. I am conscious that, more generally, there is a review of electricity market arrangements in the UK.

Direct action could be taken to dramatically reduce the costs of producing green hydrogen. Those costs are a key barrier to getting the investment that we want, so what is happening on that, minister?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I do not want to put words in your mouth but, to paraphrase, you are, in part, saying that the lack of certainty and clarity is impacting on investment now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I will go to my final question. I will bring in Tim Dumenil, because he might also want to reflect on the previous answer. I know that there are time constraints.

What are your views on the potential transportation of hydrogen by ship, either as ammonia or compressed hydrogen? Our notes say that, as the years go by, that will become more viable and potentially more important. I am interested to know your views on that. Tim, do you want to come in on that? You can also reflect on the previous question if you wish.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I see nodding heads. I do not want to put words in your mouth, Tim, but are you suggesting that pivoting towards shipping in the years ahead might compromise the infrastructure that we need for long-term sustainability? Could shipping be counterproductive?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful, because it ties in quite well with what Mr Amos said about how you get that high value and a bigger boost for your economy and everything else. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I will be disciplined and will not follow up on some of the interesting points that you made there, as I must move on to my next question, given the time constraints.

We have heard primarily, but not exclusively, about green and blue hydrogen. Do the different forms of hydrogen production affect how we plan for future transportation infrastructure? Does the balance between green and blue matter for investment in that infrastructure?

I am seeing no takers on that. David Amos might want to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

We have heard quite a lot about making sure that we can get the hydrogen to where it needs to be and where it has to be used, and we heard a little bit from Lewis Elder about project union. According to my notes, that is the plan for 1,500 miles of hydrogen transmission network by the early 2030s. However, Lewis talked about limitations in the existing network as well as barriers to getting on to it. How important is the development of that particular network? Given that it will not all happen at one time, what connections and locations should be prioritised as the network is developed to support hydrogen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

You talk about joining all this up in a network and priority areas for developing, and you gave some welcome news for the next stage. Putting aside the timescale, the phasing and the prioritisation, is there anything that project union is not doing but should be doing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Bob Doris

I have no further questions. For the record, I point out that Mr Ireland was agreeing with that as you were saying it, Tim.