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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

You say that the CCC is pulling out all the stops. I come back to the issue of resources—after all, this is a budget scrutiny session. Are you able to say how much money the Climate Change Committee has had or is getting in the current financial year and what it will get under the budget that we are scrutinising today? The key question is whether, if it had additional funds, it could provide that advice more quickly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

I assume that the Scottish Government makes sure that the CCC is appropriately resourced to provide advice.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

Okay. That is the substance of what I needed to know.

I am conscious of the fact that, when you previously gave evidence to the committee, you suggested—I realise that this was for illustrative purposes only—that the Climate Change Committee might publish its advice on 24 March. You then ran through what the timescale might be for parliamentary scrutiny of the advice and the production of the draft climate change plan and the affirmative instruments and so on. Theoretically, we were looking at a final publication date of November 2025. However, we now know that the advice will not be available on 24 March and will not be available until late May. Are you in a position to give the committee a revised timetable for all the subsequent scrutiny?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

In that case, I will ask the question in another way. Has the Climate Change Committee at any point suggested that it has not been adequately resourced to provide prompt advice?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

That is precisely what I was hoping to put on the record, given the committee’s challenges in making sure that we have effective scrutiny of all this and given the collegiate approach that we have taken on what was an expedited piece of legislation in the first place.

The budget reflects Government decisions. We heard your exchange with Douglas Lumsden. You also mentioned the allocation of £16 million of ScotWind money for agriculture, food and drink, £40 million for local priorities in relation to net zero, and £20 million for Orkney and Shetland. I want to put that on the record because there are many sectors that I have spoken about, including ground-source heat pumps and decarbonising the commercial sector or tourism or whatever. My point is that the committee recommended that the Government seek advice from the Scottish Fiscal Commission regarding the costs and benefits of various policies during the preparation of the next draft climate change plan. That is so that the committee can decide whether it agrees that the Government has prioritised appropriately, in the right sequence, for the maximum cost-benefit of the outcomes that we want in relation to our targets. What discussions have there been with the Scottish Fiscal Commission on that? I know that the cabinet secretary was considering that recommendation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

I am glad that you put that on the record. When we talk about the just transition, we quite rightly talk about jobs in the north-east and everywhere else, but the just transition is about making sure that those who are most vulnerable in society are not inadvertently victims of the pursuit of net zero.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

I will endeavour to be as concise as possible, although I have to say that the bar has not been set particularly high in that regard.

The Climate Change Committee is tasked by the Scottish Government with giving timely advice and analysis on the setting of five-year carbon budgets, the carbon plans and the on-going delivery of the outcomes associated with those. What discussions have there been with the Climate Change Committee to ensure that it is appropriately resourced and ready to deliver on all those important functions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

I am sorry for asking a daft-laddie question during budget scrutiny, but how is the Climate Change Committee resourced if that is not done through a financial transfer from the Scottish Government or one of its agencies?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

Is it the case that we have no footprint at all in relation to the financing of the CCC?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Bob Doris

No, convener. That is one of the few occasions on which I was correct.