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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Shall we hear from the witnesses who are participating online, Jeremy?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will bring in David Bell, but I promised to take Tom Wernham first.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will not ask colleagues which of them remember that, Mr Bell, but I am certainly aware of it.

I bring in Michael Marra, who has a supplementary. We were coming to his questions anyway.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

The question was indeed brief, and we had brief yet very important, answers, too.

As I conclude our evidence-taking session, I thank the witnesses both in the room and online for their support of our pre-budget scrutiny. If you have other reflections, please drop an email to the clerks—we will be keen to consider them in our on-going budget scrutiny.

That concludes our public business for this morning. We will now move to agenda item 4, which will be taken in private session.

10:52 Meeting continued in private until 11:06.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you, Alexander—it is good to have you on board.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I am sure that that will become a relevant aspect later on in our evidence session—thank you, Jeremy.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Agenda item 2 is a decision on taking business in private. Are we agreed to take item 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you—I appreciate you mentioning those cliff-edge dangers, which is an issue that I have been raising for quite a long time. I know that that is not what we are exploring today, but I think that it is important that you put it on the record.

I come to David Bell.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I am conscious that we are the Social Justice and Social Security Committee and not the Finance and Public Administration Committee—or, indeed, any other of the theme committees that would have to deal with reform of the services that they scrutinise. We need to ensure that these matters are taken forward competently and appropriately, so that the money is here for the demand-led budget that we, as the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, want to protect. As interesting as that discussion was, I can feel us drifting towards a Kenny Gibson-esque finance committee debate, and we are the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Elena Whitham, can you get us back on track?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Welcome back, everyone—those who are old and new to the committee. We have apologies today from our convener, Collette Stevenson, who cannot be with us this morning.

Agenda item 1 is a declaration of interests. I welcome Alexander Stewart, Michael Marra and Carol Mochan as new members of the committee—thank you for joining us. I invite those who have not previously attended a committee meeting in this parliamentary session to declare any interests that are relevant to the work of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee.