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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 March 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

Okay. In no way am I trying to be awkward; I am genuinely trying to work out what would happen if the Scottish Government were to introduce another piece of legislation that some people did not consider fell within the ambit of this bill but others thought that its provisions went against the definition of sustainable development in this bill and were therefore breaching that statutory definition.

I am not trying to overplay this. I am trying to work out what the crossover from the definition in this bill would be to any future legislation that any Government of any persuasion might introduce, or to any other piece of legislation in which sustainable development is mentioned. Does the term “overarching” mean that it counts for the purposes of this bill, or does the bill say that it should count for everything?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful. It may not be an issue, but we are trying to tease out what the situation is.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

I apologise. Was it a concern for some but, by and large, not for most?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

However, am I correct in saying that one of the concerned individuals was the Children and Young People’s Commissioner?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is a perfect final comment. I again thank you and the team that has supported you for your evidence this morning. We move into private session.

10:21 Meeting continued in private until 11:09.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

The general function of the commissioner is described as being

“to promote the wellbeing of future generations by promoting sustainable development by public bodies in all aspects of their decisions, policies and actions”.

Is that enough to deliver the systemic change that you have passionately discussed this morning?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

I absolutely get that. I was not even making an issue of it, but we had to consider whether that was the position of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner—that is all. I just wanted you to respond to that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is very informative, and I do not think that the committee has heard about that until today. Thank you for that, Sean.

Carnegie UK said that other models could deliver a lot of the bill’s aims, particularly around accountability and best practice for public bodies. For example, one alternative model could be a committee in the Scottish Parliament that scrutinises all that. Other Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body-supported bodies, such as the Children and Young People’s Commissioner, or bodies such as Environmental Standards Scotland and Audit Scotland, could each have a role to play. Carnegie UK set out a variety of models, so why did you land on the establishment of a new commissioner given that the Parliament is very resistant to establishing any new commissioners?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

I am sorry, but I am not clear about this. I appreciate what you have said, and I agree with some of it, too, but does that mean that you are minded to consider embedding a new commissioner or individual within an existing commissioner’s office to save precious resource that we would not want to spend needlessly?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

I want to ask you a couple of questions on that area, Sarah. They always say, “Don’t ask a question if you’re not quite sure what the answer will be,” but I will ask this anyway. I think that you said that the term “sustainable development” is mentioned in law across the board but that it is not defined. Can you give me an example of where that has caused an issue—where sustainable development has been interpreted and acted on in a way that is different from the definition in your bill?