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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

I am just showing my ignorance, but who would seek the judicial review?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

Could any other bodies reflect on that idea? For example, we have the Scottish Environment Protection Agency and Environmental Standards Scotland, so we have a pretty cluttered landscape in that regard. Do you have further reflections on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

I am not trying to put words into your mouth, but both you and Ellie Twist mentioned putting things on a statutory footing. Is the culture change the most important aspect, or is it the statutory footing?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

The underlying question was about the Welsh experience. Do other witnesses have any comments on the Welsh experience and what we can learn from it? Have I misinterpreted the evidence that we have had to date? I am more than happy to be contradicted.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful.

I will stick with you, Emma, for the next question. We will also explore some of those areas later in the evidence session.

The policy objectives are very desirable. However, the committee has to wrestle with the question of whether they can be delivered without legislation. Are there other ways of achieving those policy objectives? The committee has a choice to make.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

I am sorry to pick you, now, Ellie.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful.

I am hearing yes to policy cohesion, but also that the bill itself must be consistent in relation to that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

Is this bill an opportunity to do that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

The bill says that the function is

“to promote the wellbeing of future generations by promoting sustainable development by public bodies in all aspects of their decisions, policies and actions.”

That is the overarching intention for the function of the future generations commissioner, as it is outlined in the bill. Can you see a situation in which that definition and those functions could overlap with or rub against the functions of another commissioner or public body?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Bob Doris

If you wanted to reflect on the question and write to us, that would be helpful. It is difficult because we have a bill that may become statute, so we are looking for concrete examples of things that, by definition, do not exist but could happen in the future.

I will ask about the costs that are set out in the financial memorandum. I get that you are all here to talk about the policy intent, but we have to ask about the costs. From my notes—if I can read my own handwriting—I see that the establishment costs are about £800,000 and the running costs are about £1.2 million. As things stand, the running costs for the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales are about £1.8 million.

Do the witnesses have any reflections on whether those costs are appropriate? Are they too low or too high? Last week, I asked witnesses to comment on whether the proposal was value for money. I ask Duncan Thorp to respond first, and I will also ask Emma Hunter, on the basis that she is directly involved in the running of a commissioner’s office.