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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Bob Doris

That was helpful. The committee will continue to scrutinise the Scottish Government and push it to go further and faster on child poverty, despite the fact that, relative to the rest of the UK, we are doing very well. That begs the question of which factors are within the Scottish Government’s control to turn the dial on child poverty and which are not. To what extent are trends in child poverty under the Scottish Government’s direct control? In what way could the shared space in social security blow targets off course?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Bob Doris

The committee is trying to have a positive relationship with the UK Government in relation to influencing its child poverty strategy. We will see how that goes. Does the Scottish Government have any on-going dialogue on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Bob Doris

This will be my final question, because I know that colleagues want to come in. One of the biggest challenges for the Scottish Government has been turning the dial on children and families who are living in persistent poverty. A new delivery plan is being prepared. Will persistent poverty be a focus for the Scottish Government?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Bob Doris

Convener, I will have to leave the session early, so I apologise to the committee and the cabinet secretary for that. Thank you for allowing me to ask the opening questions.

Cabinet secretary, there were a lot of positives in your statement, but I sense a lot of frustration, too, because you wish that the Scottish Government could go further. I will come to that in a second. On the evidence base for what is working in Scotland, I note that in 2023, the estimated child poverty rates after housing costs were 22 per cent in Scotland and 32 per cent in England, so something is working in Scotland. Have you disaggregated whether that is due to the Scottish child payment, the best start grant, childcare provision or a variety of other measures? If the committee wanted to scrutinise the different policy levers that are having a positive impact, how could the Scottish Government provide that information?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Bob Doris

I think that it would be. I appreciate that it is more challenging to measure the impact of the so-called less well-kent policies or the smaller, more targeted policies, but more information would be welcome.

I can suggest lots of different ways in which we could spend more money, cabinet secretary, and I am sure that you would say, “Where is that money coming from, Mr Doris?” It is important that we know what works, what is targeted and what can make a real difference. Any more information that you can provide on that would be helpful.

I have another question on that point. Do we do qualitative surveys with parents about what works? For example, the school clothing grant, free school meals and the best start grant might not turn the dial on child poverty, but they might change the lived experience of families. We heard some evidence of that when we did our child poverty inquiry; a lot of people who were not lifted out of poverty still had direct positive life experiences because of targeted interventions by the Scottish Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

So, at official level, Government officials were working with other Government officials elsewhere in the UK. I assume that those officials must have been updating Government ministers periodically and you were content that the process was a robust and transparent one in which the Scottish Government’s views were heard.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

I have no reason to believe that the scheme administrator will not do a very good job. However, fast-forwarding a few years, if we find that the Scottish voice is not being heard by the UK scheme administrator, what power is there for on-going discussion between the Scottish Government and the scheme administrator about tweaking things to ensure that the unique positions of remote and rural communities, island communities or local authorities are being heard at UK level?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

It is helpful to be reminded of that.

I think that we have already heard the answer to my final question, but we can put it on the record again. Can you summarise any significant changes that have been made to the role of the scheme administrator compared with what it would have looked like under the previous Scottish system? I am not talking about glass. I am talking about other matters. For example, how will fees work for small producers? Has that changed under the new dovetailing scheme? Has the process for setting deposit levels changed? What are the differences?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Bob Doris

To allow the new fees to come into place.