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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

Sarah, thank you and your team for coming along this morning.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

No.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you—although that confuses me further. There are references to sustainable development in other pieces of legislation, but the term is not defined in those other pieces of legislation. However, it is defined in the bill, which would cut across all other pieces of legislation. Caroline, did you say something different?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful. I think that you mentioned how many public bodies there are in Scotland. I cannot recall what number you gave for that—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

Okay. In no way am I trying to be awkward; I am genuinely trying to work out what would happen if the Scottish Government were to introduce another piece of legislation that some people did not consider fell within the ambit of this bill but others thought that its provisions went against the definition of sustainable development in this bill and were therefore breaching that statutory definition.

I am not trying to overplay this. I am trying to work out what the crossover from the definition in this bill would be to any future legislation that any Government of any persuasion might introduce, or to any other piece of legislation in which sustainable development is mentioned. Does the term “overarching” mean that it counts for the purposes of this bill, or does the bill say that it should count for everything?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful. It may not be an issue, but we are trying to tease out what the situation is.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

I apologise. Was it a concern for some but, by and large, not for most?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

However, am I correct in saying that one of the concerned individuals was the Children and Young People’s Commissioner?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

That is a perfect final comment. I again thank you and the team that has supported you for your evidence this morning. We move into private session.

10:21 Meeting continued in private until 11:09.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Bob Doris

The general function of the commissioner is described as being

“to promote the wellbeing of future generations by promoting sustainable development by public bodies in all aspects of their decisions, policies and actions”.

Is that enough to deliver the systemic change that you have passionately discussed this morning?