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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

That was helpful. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

So, unless my briefing paper is wrong—and I am looking at the convener when I say this—it appears that the cost would be £819,000 plus another £100,000.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

As we know, the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee is leading on the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill, but this committee will have an active interest in that piece of legislation, too. In that respect, what are your initial views on the function being given to you by the bill, and your capacity, to be the independent review body, and will that impact on any of your other functions?

I have to say that I was distracted by the financial memorandum in that regard. I note, for the record, that it estimates that

“to monitor, assess, review and report on the progress made towards meeting ... targets and the Scottish ministers’ review of those targets will require 5.5 to 10 full-time staff members, costing between”

£467,000 and £819,000. What level of funding do you need to ensure that this does not impact on ESS’s other functions? That question is for Dr Dixon or Mark Roberts.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

You might say that, Mr. Roberts, but the figures that I saw ranged from around £467,000 up to £819,000. In other words, we are talking about headroom of almost 80-plus per cent above what you think the minimum required to carry out those functions would be. It is a massive range, and if a minister came forward with it, they would be put under quite severe scrutiny. Why is there such a dramatic range in costs? Moreover, do those figures also include the £100,000 of additional money that you contend will be needed for consultancy fees, or are we talking about another £100,000?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

We are not the Finance and Public Administration Committee, but I am minded to note that the cost could be between half a million pounds and £1 million.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

You could be completely right about all of that, Mr Roberts—I am merely questioning the numbers. That is my job here today.

My final question on this issue is this: if we were to approach the £800,000 figure, would it be possible to get in-house expertise so that you did not have to rely on consultants?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

For clarity, are you saying that to get everything that you want to meet these responsibilities in—and I hate to sound glib about it—an all-singing, all-dancing way, the cost would not be £819,000 plus the £100,000 in consultancy fees?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

Would it be reasonable, Mr Roberts, to have a core range of provisions that are costed, with the ability to flex up and get additional expenditure in years 2 or 3, instead of seeking the best part of a million pounds in year 1?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

The note that I have here says that the £819,000 would be for 10 members of in-house staff. They, by definition, would not be consultants.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Bob Doris

I am listening with interest to the points that you are making, but I still have in my head what Megan Gallacher and Jeremy Balfour said about your amendments having potential unintended consequences.

That figure of 700 is interesting. It is not one that I had heard before. Do you know if there is any breakdown or analysis of those 700 cases? Before supporting amendment 1052, I would like to understand what those 700 stories look like. Are there themes and trends within that?

What happens if we move away from giving discretion to local authorities? I do not want to get into giving local case studies in my city and constituency, but I have seen good use being made of that discretion—I realise that that might be a controversial thing to say—and I have to wonder about the unintended consequences of taking it away. If we can analyse and understand the circumstances of those 700 cases, it will inform Parliament, either through this process or at a later date, when it comes to enacting the provisions that you are suggesting.