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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you—I appreciate you mentioning those cliff-edge dangers, which is an issue that I have been raising for quite a long time. I know that that is not what we are exploring today, but I think that it is important that you put it on the record.

I come to David Bell.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I am conscious that we are the Social Justice and Social Security Committee and not the Finance and Public Administration Committee—or, indeed, any other of the theme committees that would have to deal with reform of the services that they scrutinise. We need to ensure that these matters are taken forward competently and appropriately, so that the money is here for the demand-led budget that we, as the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, want to protect. As interesting as that discussion was, I can feel us drifting towards a Kenny Gibson-esque finance committee debate, and we are the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Elena Whitham, can you get us back on track?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Agenda item 3 is an evidence session on pre-budget scrutiny. In the room, I welcome to the meeting Mairi Spowage, director at the Fraser of Allander Institute, and David Bell, professor of economics at the University of Stirling. Welcome to you both. I also welcome our online witnesses, both from the Institute for Fiscal Studies: Tom Wernham, senior research economist; and David Phillips, the institute’s associate director. Thank you both for joining us remotely to support our evidence session.

We will move straight to questions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Shall we hear from the witnesses who are participating online, Jeremy?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will bring in David Bell, but I promised to take Tom Wernham first.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

I will not ask colleagues which of them remember that, Mr Bell, but I am certainly aware of it.

I bring in Michael Marra, who has a supplementary. We were coming to his questions anyway.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

The question was indeed brief, and we had brief yet very important, answers, too.

As I conclude our evidence-taking session, I thank the witnesses both in the room and online for their support of our pre-budget scrutiny. If you have other reflections, please drop an email to the clerks—we will be keen to consider them in our on-going budget scrutiny.

That concludes our public business for this morning. We will now move to agenda item 4, which will be taken in private session.

10:52 Meeting continued in private until 11:06.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Welcome back, everyone—those who are old and new to the committee. We have apologies today from our convener, Collette Stevenson, who cannot be with us this morning.

Agenda item 1 is a declaration of interests. I welcome Alexander Stewart, Michael Marra and Carol Mochan as new members of the committee—thank you for joining us. I invite those who have not previously attended a committee meeting in this parliamentary session to declare any interests that are relevant to the work of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

It is always less than exciting when there is nothing to declare, but there we are.

I understand that, before we move on to the next agenda item, Jeremy Balfour wants to make a short declaration.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Bob Doris

Before I bring in David Phillips, I point out that we will explore the block grant in more detail under theme 5—Marie McNair will ask some questions on that. There have been several mentions of the block grant, but there will be opportunities to discuss that further later on.