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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Bob Doris

Only for clarity, rather than as a follow-up question, is that subject to the on-going pay discussions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Bob Doris

I thank Monica Lennon for exploring a lot of these issues. I found that incredibly helpful, and it is important to examine the bonus structures. For a bit of context, I note that Welsh Water was paying its chief executive a pay and bonuses package of £892,000 in 2021; in 2023 it was £792,000. It still does not sit comfortably with me that we are talking about having to be competitive to pay the best. It is reported that, in England and Wales, water companies got £9.1 million in 2023—not in salaries; that is bonus-specific.

My question is for Deirdre Michie. I am not at all comfortable with that level of bonus, but is it symptomatic of a market that is broken across the UK, in which Scottish Water feels that it has to be competitive? Is it a race to the top, if you like, whereby others are paying eye-watering amounts of money and Scottish Water is following suit? Would you like there to be reform across the UK, simply so that, in the market more generally, it is not possible for companies to pay such huge bonuses?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 27 March 2025

Bob Doris

I am listening carefully to you, Mr Balfour, and I am not sure what I feel about your amendment, but my question is about something that is not in it. A lot of survivors of domestic abuse are under threat of losing homes in the private rented sector. There are some landlords who are not working at scale and have just one or two registered properties, but there are many large, almost industrial, landlords and letting agencies out there. Do you feel that this should also be a requirement on private landlords and letting agencies?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

As we know, the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee is leading on the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill, but this committee will have an active interest in that piece of legislation, too. In that respect, what are your initial views on the function being given to you by the bill, and your capacity, to be the independent review body, and will that impact on any of your other functions?

I have to say that I was distracted by the financial memorandum in that regard. I note, for the record, that it estimates that

“to monitor, assess, review and report on the progress made towards meeting ... targets and the Scottish ministers’ review of those targets will require 5.5 to 10 full-time staff members, costing between”

£467,000 and £819,000. What level of funding do you need to ensure that this does not impact on ESS’s other functions? That question is for Dr Dixon or Mark Roberts.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

You might say that, Mr. Roberts, but the figures that I saw ranged from around £467,000 up to £819,000. In other words, we are talking about headroom of almost 80-plus per cent above what you think the minimum required to carry out those functions would be. It is a massive range, and if a minister came forward with it, they would be put under quite severe scrutiny. Why is there such a dramatic range in costs? Moreover, do those figures also include the £100,000 of additional money that you contend will be needed for consultancy fees, or are we talking about another £100,000?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

We are not the Finance and Public Administration Committee, but I am minded to note that the cost could be between half a million pounds and £1 million.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

You could be completely right about all of that, Mr Roberts—I am merely questioning the numbers. That is my job here today.

My final question on this issue is this: if we were to approach the £800,000 figure, would it be possible to get in-house expertise so that you did not have to rely on consultants?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

For clarity, are you saying that to get everything that you want to meet these responsibilities in—and I hate to sound glib about it—an all-singing, all-dancing way, the cost would not be £819,000 plus the £100,000 in consultancy fees?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

I am sorry—I thought that you said the opposite. So, we would be nudging £1 million.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Bob Doris

That was helpful. Thank you.