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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

We know that one key plank of the Scottish Government’s plans in relation to net zero is carbon sequestration. However, that in itself might be at risk from climate change and its impacts—I am thinking about tree planting, forestry and the restoration of peatlands, which have already been impacted by climate change.

Can any of the witnesses say a bit about what the risks are of losing that good work in sequestration and abatement because of the climate challenges, and whether we can do anything to mitigate those risks? Does anyone want to take up that particular question?

I apologise, Gabi Hegerl, but you have a terrible habit of half raising your hand. I am not sure whether you want to speak, but I will come to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

Andrew, do you want to come in before I follow up on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is very helpful. Whenever I hear the word “deer”, I look at the convener to see whether he has been triggered in any way. I see that that has not happened.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

Okay. Thank you. I see nodding heads in response to that comment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

No pressure then, convener.

The Scottish Government is clearly not required to follow all the advice of the Climate Change Committee, which is relaxed about that as long as there is a balanced pathway to net zero. One area in which there is variation is the policy on livestock numbers, because there is no policy to reduce livestock numbers in agriculture in Scotland. Livestock numbers are falling anyway—there is a longer-term pattern in relation to that. To what extent does the Scottish Government still rely on livestock numbers falling as part of its move to net zero?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

Okay.

I can infer from your previous comments what the answer is likely to be to this final question. The indicative statement differed from the advice of the Climate Change Committee on peatland restoration. Can you elaborate on that? Should we expect to see far greater savings, or lesser ones, from peatland restoration, and what are those assumptions based on?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

That is helpful. Andrew Russell, your comment about the survival rates of new saplings was helpful, because my next question is around that. When the Scottish Government, or any Government, looks at abatement measures or sequestration measures, should modelling work on the abatement or sequestration that we capture say that, for every 100 saplings that are planted, there is an attrition rate of 5 per cent—given that there will be slippage because of the climate challenges that we face?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

I have mentioned peatland and forestry. Are there any other carbon-abatement measures that could be impacted by climate change that we should be aware of?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

This is my final question. Gabi Hegerl might be best placed to answer this one, given her initial answer. Is there a balance to be had between some of those measures and maintaining biodiversity? Gabi, you spoke about reforesting not having to be just about conifers but that there can be a mix of trees and that there can be multiple uses for spaces. My papers say that there might be concerns in relation to whether there is a trade-off between biodiversity and some of the opportunities for carbon abatement. Are there such concerns? Do you have any comments on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Bob Doris

This is my final, final question, convener. More generally, are there any risks to our ambitions for biodiversity from our pursuit of meeting carbon budgets that any of the witnesses would like to put on the record, just so that we can be clear about that?

I do not see anyone wanting to answer that, but it was suggested that that is something that we would want to clarify. If that is not the case, that is good.