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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

Under agenda item 3, we are considering eight instruments, on which no points have been raised.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

Welcome to the 18th meeting in 2025 of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. I remind everyone to switch off or put to silent their mobile phones and other electronic devices.

The first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Is the committee content to take items 4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

Also, have you taken on any additional staff to deal with the FOI requests?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

More generally.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

Building a commercial ship is different from building a naval ship—that comment is continually heard. I have not yet had the opportunity to meet the new chief executive, but I know that that is being worked on.

I am asking these questions because the FMI reports are very clear about some of the challenges. One of the reports says that new cost forecasting processes appear to be adequate and an improvement on previous systems, but that that is clearly reliant on there being accurate drawings, design and engineering information.

There will be some questions about the Glen Rosa and the announcement that has been made in the past couple of weeks. However, as the report highlights, there are still challenges. That is not helpful, to say the least. It is not helpful in terms of the yard’s future. Notwithstanding the strengthening of the board, that raises questions about the strength of the board beforehand. I am not casting aspersions on any individual, but, with regard to the board as an entity, it shows a complete lack of leadership at board level to scrutinise what is actually taking place on the shop floor and what is happening with regard to the management of the yard. I genuinely have concerns about that, because the fact is that it has just lost two orders.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

In all fairness to the shop stewards, they have been asking to have an input for some time. It should not take a meeting that I organised with the Deputy First Minister and two shop stewards to get that point raised yet again, when the shop stewards have been raising those points directly to the chair of the board and the organisation. Fundamentally, the shop stewards want the yard to survive and to thrive. If there is going to be better engagement, I welcome that, and I am sure that that would also be welcomed on the shop floor. However, it should not take that type of action for that to happen.

The committee recently received correspondence from the permanent secretary to the Scottish Government, which said:

“The Directors of FMPG have raised concerns about their ability to operate in a fully commercial manner, taking account of their responsibilities and liabilities as Directors under the Companies Act, alongside constraints on their commercial decisions by virtue of compliance with Scottish Government guidance such as the Scottish Public Finance Manual”.

When I read that, my first thought—notwithstanding the legal aspect that directors clearly have to operate under, which I would not argue with at all—was that that looks as though the directors are passing the buck, because they have not undertaken their duties in the way that they should have. Do you agree?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

I am sorry, but—

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

I am sorry for interrupting, but they are allowed in for only 15 minutes at a time.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is helpful, and it would be good if you could provide that information, Mr Rhatigan.

On Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow, Mr Irwin, you touched on the reports that First Marine International sent to the committee. There were six different reports and the covering letter accompanying them states that the first study, which took place in 2020-21, was, in effect, about the benchmarking, and the second study, which took place in 2022-23, was the potential improvements study.

Between those two reports and the level of scrutiny that the division, with that information, has placed on the yard—obviously, you have the unredacted versions as compared to us—and bearing in mind how politically sensitive the situation with FMPG is and how many jobs are involved with the yard, what genuine activity has your division undertaken and what input does it have with regard to the yard?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government Strategic Commercial Assets Division

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is quite helpful information.

How does SCAD assess the effectiveness of previous decisions to intervene, or not, in a particular business or to make follow-on investments such as the recent investment of £14.2 million in Ferguson’s?