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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

That is a valid area, with a variety of elements, to look at. It is not just about the charging points and vehicles, which are not cheap. The higher-range electric vehicles are certainly more reliable compared with those at the lower range.

On the economic perspective, I refer to a report that was published earlier this month by the Loughborough centre for research in public policy, which highlighted that 24 million people in the UK are below socially unacceptable living standards. The economic challenge of purchasing an electric vehicle prohibits people who want to do the right thing from doing so.

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Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a range of questions on things that are dotted throughout the report. Before I get into them, I want to follow on from Colin Beattie’s questions about the additional information that is to be sent to the committee. Can that be put alongside the report on the Audit Scotland website to help to provide background?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I genuinely think that paragraph 35 is a cop-out, to be honest. There are some urban authorities that will have rural parts to them, but I accept the point about more solely rural local authority areas. Once again, however, I think of my constituency, and an area that has been suggested for a housing development. It is equidistant between two train stations, and it is just off a trunk road. The only way to get to any of the train stations will be to drive.

Active travel routes can be put in, but in my area, it rains quite a lot, so they will not be used a great deal. The only way to get to somewhere is to get on to a trunk road that is already congested at peak times. Despite folk highlighting concerns, however, the measures are still being progressed.

That is what has been going on from a planning perspective. Councils do not need any additional guidance on planning—they know their area better than any Government of any colour or stripe would do. For me, paragraph 35 of the report really is a cop-out, when I consider what is going on in my patch.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

I have a 20-minute neighbourhoods example, but I will not go into it today, because I can talk to you about it another time.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Sure. With regard to paragraph 45 of the report, and the “detailed analysis”, do you have any indication of the cost of the reports involved in that?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

There is an excellent story to tell. I only found out a few weeks ago about what ScotRail offers, because I was dealing with it on behalf of a constituent. I put the point to ScotRail that it needs to tell more people about its openness and its offer to help people. ScotRail told me that, as a consequence of that offer, more people with disabilities are travelling on the rail network as opposed to sitting at home and doing nothing.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

That ties into paragraph 14, which is on page 11, and exhibit 8, which is on page 37, with regard to areas that are outwith the Scottish Parliament’s powers. A potential suggestion is—dare I say it—to reduce fuel duty, which would impact on bus travel overall. Paragraph 67 mentions bus operators cancelling services and the many challenges that they face. If bus travel was cheaper, more people would certainly be aided and encouraged to use that form of transport. Surely a discussion could be had about passing on a reduction in fuel duty to bus operators in order to reduce the cost of tickets.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Paragraph 16 covers an issue that has been under discussion for some time. I always read Audit Scotland’s overarching reports through the prism of how it will affect my Greenock and Inverclyde constituency. There has been past dialogue about a Glasgow airport rail link, and now there is discussion about a metro scheme, but every option that has come forward would have a negative impact on public transport usage in Inverclyde and would reduce services from Inverclyde to Glasgow.

I have a meeting with the Strathclyde Partnership for Transport about the issue on Friday, but surely any proposals or projects that come forward, whether from SPT or anyone else in the country, should add to public transport usage; they should not be at its expense.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

No—okay.

Exhibit 4, on page 30, was helpful.

I will talk about something that is not any Government or council’s fault; it is a business decision. EE has left Greenock, shut down its plant and call centre and moved all its staff up to Glasgow. It is a seven-day operation. I know folk who work for EE who could use public transport to get to work in Greenock but now have to use a car because of the time it takes to travel to Glasgow, particularly at weekends, when less public transport is available.

In preparing the wider report, was any consideration given to business requirements and decisions that have an effect on car usage?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Stuart McMillan

Yes.