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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I appreciate that, but deterrence is part of it. That brings me on to my next question. The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and Police Scotland said in their oral evidence that they had not seen any evidence that the provisions of part 1 of the bill would act as a deterrent. Do you have an evidence base to the contrary?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

No—they are saying that they have not seen an evidence base for what you are proposing.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Does that counter what Police Scotland and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service have said about the lack of an evidence base?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Police Scotland and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service are not the Government, are they?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

You told me that you could, if you were. You just said—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I fully accept that I am probing you on that, which is what we are here to do.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I have one final question for Ms Gosal. What would you say in response to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and the Law Society of Scotland if they flagged concerns about the UNCRC compatibility of other bills?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I will stick with part 1 of the bill. In our evidence session with the Scottish Women’s Convention and Scottish Women’s Aid, I was quite struck by—indeed, I was quite surprised by—the significant concerns that they raised about your bill. Scottish Women’s Aid felt that the provisions in part 1 would offer only a “minimal” amount of safety for victims or accountability for perpetrators, and that they would place a “heavy bureaucratic burden” on organisations. What is your response to Scottish Women’s Aid’s concerns?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Surely we have to take it at face value that she was speaking on behalf of Scottish Women’s Aid. She was not here to speak on her own behalf, was she?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

If that is weighed against the concerns of Scottish Women’s Aid that it would provide a “minimal” amount of safety for victims or accountability for perpetrators, do you think that the bureaucratic burden is worth it?