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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Agnes Tolmie, will you comment on your point about a reduction in safety?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have questions on domestic abuse education in schools. We all understand that it is broadly a good idea to put that in place. However, again, Scottish Women’s Aid had some pretty stark comments on the specific propositions in the bill. The written response says:

“The proposal as stands raises some alarms for us—the implications for children and parents who choose to withdraw their child, for children in the class who disclose abuse in a setting not properly trained to respond safely for the child are two scenarios we worry about.”

That speaks to the point that, sadly, given the prevalence of abuse, there will be kids in the classroom who have witnessed and experienced it, so there is clearly an inherent danger of retraumatisation. How do we deal with that in the school environment?

Perhaps Marsha Scott can go first, given that I cited her submission, and then others can comment.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

The general question to you all is on the issue of the potential traumatisation or retraumatisation of children. How would that be dealt with?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have a couple more questions, but I am conscious of the time. Can I come back in later if there is time?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

For the record, notwithstanding my genuine concerns about the situation in Cumbernauld, we should say that it is not proposed that the fire station there will close or be moved.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I get the sense that there is a strong view on the efficacy of the proposals. Will you say a bit more about that? It is pretty stark to say that there will be “significant unintended negative consequences”.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have very specific questions for individual witnesses, convener, so I will be brief. The first question is for Agnes Tolmie. Your written evidence says that it is

“a significant oversight that the Bill does not require the collection of data on all protected characteristics as defined under the Equality Act 2010.”

You specifically cite

“sexual orientation, gender reassignment, religion or belief, pregnancy and maternity, and marriage or civil partnership”

as omissions. Your submission touches on this, but will you set out some of your concerns about those characteristics being omitted?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is helpful.

I have one final—again, very quick—question, specifically for Debbie Jupp. In response to the question on

“concerns about the human rights or equality implications of the Bill”,

the written evidence from Committed to Ending Abuse says:

“The expansion of notifications and data processing engages privacy rights under Article 8 of ... ECHR.”

I must confess that I am not aware of that particular issue.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

If you can come back to us on that—

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

As Colin Brown and John McKenzie will know, my area could be impacted by proposed changes to Cumbernauld fire station, although I should say for the record that it is not a full closure that is proposed. I also put on record that I am very grateful to the FBU for the interaction that I have had with it, particularly its local members.

My first question is about the process, which I would like to get your perspective on. Many advantages have been derived from the fact that we now have a national service. I have seen that locally in the tremendous response from firefighters across the entirety of central Scotland to wildfires and the St Mungo’s church fire, which you will be well aware of. Your mention of Cowcaddens is pertinent to my question. I have been struck by the fact that the proposals seem to have been made on a localised or regional basis. Cumbernauld is part of the proposals that were set out for Lanarkshire, but my area might be just as impacted by, for example, the closure of Cowcaddens or changes that have been posited for Springburn.

Are you also concerned about the process? We have a national service, but the manner in which the proposals have been laid out does not necessarily seem to have reflected that or to have taken advantage of the fact that we have a national service.