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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Having recently been involved in the legislative agenda, I can certainly testify to the challenges around progressing additional primary legislation between now and the end of the parliamentary session.

A potential misogyny bill is clearly not possible in this session, but you referred to filling the gap. We will probably get more into this when we consider the regulations in more detail down the line, but could you perhaps speak a little bit more about what the SSI means in practical terms and how it fills the gap? I understand that this might be difficult to answer, but what types of incident will be captured by the law that are not, as it stands, and how prevalent are such incidents?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Indeed.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

In as much as we have made the change, yes, I am satisfied. That is the first thing—we have made the change to enable this.

As for the point about the practical experience of people who engage with the process of casting their vote, we often have to rely on the feedback of those who administer elections in the first instance. However, what that leads us back to is that, if an issue is raised as an area of concern, we must engage with that wider cohort of people—in this instance, again, young people—to try to understand the problem, how we can resolve it and how we can do better. Inevitably—this will be true of any election—if you encounter any problems, you will have to rely on those who administer elections in the first instance to flag up what those problems might be.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Of course. Reflecting back on the legislation itself, we put in a specific requirement for the Electoral Commission to engage in an awareness-raising campaign on how people cast their vote in local government elections, because we know that there can often be confusion in that respect and that that manifests itself in some communities more than in others. Indeed, it was Bob Doris who flagged that up. That is another example of our being informed by someone who has raised an issue that they have identified in their community.

I take the point: when it comes to those who do not cast their vote, how can we understand better what the impediment has been? Sometimes, we can identify it readily; incidentally, that is one of the reasons for the Government not supporting the use of some form of identification for people to cast their votes. That was one of the very issues that we flagged. If there are other issues, we will have to do our best to try to understand what they might be, and that will happen only if there is constant engagement. Again, in the case of young people, that will mean relying on and engaging with organisations that represent and have the most direct contact with them; they will be able to facilitate a conversation with young people, some of whom might not have cast their vote, and who will tell us the reason why.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

It is certainly the case that no recommendation has been communicated to me.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

—that is a requirement or something that people can be compelled to do. We need to bear that in mind, too.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I believe so. Iain Hockenhull might be able to say more.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Yes, indeed. My view is largely based on the view, “That’s the way it’s aye been done.” The count has always been done overnight, and I quite like it being done that way. When I reflected on that view, I realised that it was probably not enough of a reason to direct the Electoral Management Board to take a particular decision, which is why I have not done so.

My decision reflects the fact that there are different views on the matter. Some contend that a next-day count is preferable to an overnight count; some people like the overnight count. The latter might be media driven, because the media like the drama of being able to go directly to the count and report on it overnight, although, again, I observe that that, in and of itself, is not a reason to do it that way.

The fact that there are different views led me to conclude that it was not appropriate or necessary to replicate what has been done at UK level, which is to specify that the count must begin as close as possible to within four hours of the poll closing and that, if, for some reason, that cannot happen, the returning officer must explain the reason, and so on and so forth. We have to rely on and trust those who administer our elections to make the right decision.

That said, making that decision is of fundamental importance. I have said to the committee in correspondence, and I made the point quite clearly to the convener of the Electoral Management Board, that although such a decision is for the community of those who administer elections, it is very important that it is applied consistently. We do not want one constituency’s count to begin at one time and another’s to begin at a different time. I am clear that we want a consistent approach to be applied.

However, having engaged with the Electoral Management Board, I do not think that that requires a prescriptive legislative decision. If it turns out that we feel that that is required in future, we will not hesitate to reconsider the matter, but, at this stage, I do not think that it is required. I get the very clear sense that the Electoral Management Board understands the expectation and recognises that the application of a consistent approach is a necessary part of the experience of administering the election.

The decision has to be fairly clearly communicated—in the first instance, to those who participate in the election as candidates, to those who support them as election agents and so on, and, thereafter, to the wider public, to let them know, for example, that they should not turn on the telly at 10 o’clock and expect the election programming to begin; they might have to wait a bit longer. I await the Electoral Management Board’s decision, which will be made in consultation with returning officers. I know that a significant majority of returning officers favour a next-day count.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

To be perfectly candid, ultimately, we rely on the Electoral Commission to take that work forward, because it is perceived to be a non-partisan, impartial entity in discharging that function. Communicating that is also a matter for those who are responsible for electoral registration. It goes back to my earlier point that there are many organisations that can assist with the dissemination of that information, and those will be the organisations that are around the table with the Electoral Commission. Therefore, the Electoral Commission will have to hear what is said by those organisations, reflect on that and act accordingly.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Indeed. The data that we have is in relation to the number of those aged 16 and over who have ceased to be looked after but who are eligible for continuing care and who would now be able to exercise that right. In 2023-24, 967 children and young people were eligible. About 33 per cent of them entered continuing care, and, as of 31 July 2024—these are probably the most recent available figures—there were 1,115 young people in continuing care. We have that type of information, so I guess that, yes, against that information, you can have some form of assessment of how many people are exercising that right.

The other thing that we have to reflect on is that, although it is a right, it is not something—