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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I understand all of that. I have been an elected member of the Parliament for 18 and a half years. I understand all the processes, but member’s bills have been introduced sooner. I will leave that there. My fundamental point is that there was a suggestion of concern about the process that we have gone through but, at the end of the day, the bill was introduced in May and there is limited time for us to take evidence.

I will ask a more specific question on part 1. You mentioned a £7 billion cost to society over a three-year period. Notwithstanding that cost, we obviously want to reduce the impact on women and children. That is the fundamental thing that we want to do, but we also want to bring down that cost. Presumably, part of the intention of the bill is to deter such behaviour in the first place—to bring down such incidents and such behaviour. Is that correct? Is the intention for it to have some deterrent effect?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

That is fine, but you have no information on the others, because you have not engaged with them on it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

If the bill requires amendment, do you agree that there is the possibility that, as drafted, it could retraumatise victims?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Well, now that we have this available from the Finance and Public Administration Committee, what is your response to it?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Do you accept that the figures that are presented in the financial memorandum might be different?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

My questions relate to part 1, but I have an initial question that is based on Ms Gosal’s opening remarks. It is important because it relates to the process that we are going through.

I might be paraphrasing, but you suggested that the full range of views could not be properly heard over the course of what you described as just two evidence sessions. Is there an inherent suggestion that the process that the committee has gone through has been deficient? Should we have taken longer to consider the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Okay.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

I appreciate that, but deterrence is part of it. That brings me on to my next question. The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and Police Scotland said in their oral evidence that they had not seen any evidence that the provisions of part 1 of the bill would act as a deterrent. Do you have an evidence base to the contrary?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

No—they are saying that they have not seen an evidence base for what you are proposing.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Jamie Hepburn

Does that counter what Police Scotland and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service have said about the lack of an evidence base?