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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Yes, thank you very much.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Your point is more about the consequences, which you think would run contrary to people’s human rights, rather than about the provisions of the bill per se.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is helpful to understand. Clearly, we will have the opportunity to ask questions about that, just as I am asking questions about the poll that Lynsey Walton’s evidence cites.

I have one final question, because it is important to ask the same question of panel 2 as I did of panel 1. It goes back to the duty to provide assistance and support to those seeking to leave prostitution and sex work. I think that all the people on the panel have said that they support that provision. What would that support look like? Could it be provided on a non-statutory basis?

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I do not know whether Amanda Jane or Diane might have anything to add to that. It is okay if you do not.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

When speaking with the previous panel, I promised to put my question about common ground to the second panel. Those whom we heard from on panel 1 are in favour of the bill and you oppose it. Do you perceive there to be any common ground between you?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That would be helpful.

I have another question—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Not at all.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Thank you. Liam Kerr covered much of the territory that I wanted to cover around making sure that we protect those who are involved in prostitution and sex work against forms of violence, and I was going to draw on everyone’s submissions in doing so. However, my next two questions are specifically about the written evidence that Lynsey Walton has provided. Paragraph 180 of the policy memorandum for the bill sets out that the approach

“would ensure that Scotland meets its obligations under international and European human rights law”.

I was struck by your evidence, which says that the bill

“is contrary to international human rights standards”.

Those are two polar opposite views, and I am intrigued to understand why you take your particular view.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I take your point about the existing legislation that deals with areas of human rights concern, but you said in your submission that the bill is

“contrary to international human rights standards”.

Will you expand on that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Okay. That is useful to understand.

Lynsey, your written evidence states that there is

“strong evidence that the Scottish public oppose the proposed measure to outlaw the purchase of sex.”

You talk about opinion polling that you commissioned involving more than 1,000 Scottish adults in May 2024. You state:

“The results showed that 69% of Scots say the Scottish Government should focus on protecting the health and safety of sex workers, and providing support to people who want to leave the industry, compared to 14% who support the government passing new laws to prevent people exchanging sexual services for money.”

It is only fair to place on record that a poll out this week from the polling agency Find Out Now suggests that 68 per cent of people say that they back

“stronger laws against buying sex as a way of tackling pimping, organised crime and sex trafficking.”

I know that the questions in the polls are not precisely the same, but I want to place the results in context.

To go back to the poll that you commissioned, which YouGov undertook, were those two options mutually exclusive? I presume that some of the 14 per cent could also support what some of the 69 per cent said.