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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Jamie Hepburn
I accept that perspective. It would be useful for us to understand what people’s experience was, but that is a legitimate perspective.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Jamie Hepburn
Of course.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Jamie Hepburn
I accept that and I recognise that there is no formal decision-making process. I concede that. The point was—and I am sympathetic to it—that the committee might want to ask questions in advance of a final decision. However, I recognise that it is for the board to decide that. I was really just trying to understand the process.
Looking at the process that you have undertaken—I have made this point directly in response to the consultation and I have raised it in debate in Parliament—I would be intrigued to understand the rationale that has been pursued. I recognise that it is no easy undertaking when you are looking across the country and considering the extent to which you are going to have to regionalise it. However, you are a national service. It is difficult to remove my own constituency experiences entirely from this, but this point will be true everywhere, I suppose. When you were presenting on a regional basis, the changes were not always clear. Changes in Glasgow, for example, could impact my constituency, but they were not presented together, which I found a little unsatisfactory. Can you reassure me that, despite it being presented that way, there is some form of cross-border assessment, for want of a better term, given that, strictly speaking, there is no border or boundary in terms of the service?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Jamie Hepburn
It is reassuring to know that it has been done, because that has not always been clear when trying to explore that aspect. If we can have some line of sight on that, that would be really helpful.
I have two more very quick questions. One picks up on Pauline McNeill’s point about retained firefighters. As a service, you have recognised the difficulties in recruiting retained firefighters, and the FBU has made that point as well. A lot of these changes are, as you have set out, predicated on the recruitment of additional retained firefighters. Supposing that that is not possible or successful, is there any guarantee—again, I recognise that it might be on a localised basis—that changes that are predicated on that recruitment would not go ahead because you had not been able to recruit?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Jamie Hepburn
It is useful to understand that.
I have one other question. I indicated to the FBU that I would ask it, so I should. Again, the FBU does not think that it is sleight of hand or anything, but it said that it would have been helpful to understand in more detail the scoring exercise for the options that were presented at an event at Stirling. Is it possible to get a greater line of sight on that?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Jamie Hepburn
I might need to try to understand why we were told that the scoring was not available, although I might have misunderstood the point.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Jamie Hepburn
The previous panel members said the same, and I am not suggesting otherwise. The chief officer is saying that the scoring is available, so we should be able to see that.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 January 2026
Jamie Hepburn
I will be, convener. My question picks up on Sharon Dowey’s points but more specifically on the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s comment to us, Ms Gosal, that your assumption in the financial memorandum—that each caseworker who deals with MAPPA notification requirements has a case allocation of between 50 and 60—is not correct. It says that, according to COSLA, that
“is in ‘direct conflict with the Social Work Scotland Setting the Bar report, which advised that 20-25 cases per worker was manageable and safe’”
and that
“East Renfrewshire Health and Social Care Partnership, South Lanarkshire Council, and Police Scotland agreed with COSLA’s view that the FM sets an unrealistic caseload target.”
You have just said that you do not think that there will be any changes to your estimate, but how do you respond to what the committee has said?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 January 2026
Jamie Hepburn
So it could be quite a bit higher—
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 January 2026
Jamie Hepburn
You said again that we have had only two evidence sessions on the bill. I have taken a bill through the Parliament with the full support of the Government and I recognise the work that goes into that, so I understand the work that will have gone into taking your member’s bill forward. You said that you set out to do so three and a half years ago. The cut-off point for introducing a member’s bill was in June last year, and you introduced yours in May. Do you accept that the point at which you introduced the bill will inevitably have limited the amount of time that we have to look at it?