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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is certainly my uppermost concern. It has been difficult because of the conflicting evidence that we have heard, as you said, but that concern has definitely been expressed.

Before I turn to your remarks about the need for substantial amendments, I would like to pick up on Liam Kerr’s questions. The bill is predicated on reducing demand, and he asked about the international evidence in that regard. In your letter of 29 July, you cite the Irish experience and the fact that the Irish justice minister set out that their review highlighted that demand had not decreased under the model. Has there been engagement and dialogue with other jurisdictions to try to understand what their practical experience has been?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have one final question. You mentioned concerns about the provisions on quashing convictions. I know that other colleagues want to ask about that, but I have a specific question. A contrast will be drawn with the situation regarding the Post Office’s Horizon system. I want to better understand what you meant in your letter of 29 July, when you said, in relation to the Post Office case, that those convictions

“could not be considered as safe”.

Perhaps I can set out my understanding and see whether that tallies with what you have said. Putting to one side for a minute whether we think that there should be convictions under section 46 of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982—of course, that is the fundamental question, but it is the law as it stands—is your position that convictions in those cases can be considered safe?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

My question is a follow on from the answer that you gave to my question about what types of substantial amendment would be required. Minister, you mentioned the type of assistance and support that should be provided for in the bill. There has been widespread support for on-going support and assistance for those who are involved in the selling of sex so that they are able to exit the selling of sex. It has not always been clear precisely what that should constitute, beyond its having to be available evenly across the country. I take the point that it is largely for the member in charge of the bill to answer about what is intended, but do you have any sense of what that support should look like—perhaps informed by the support that is available through operation begonia, for example?

I have an associated question. We all understand that the provision would be predicated on trying to get women out of the selling of sex. However, a perspective has been articulated—including by those who oppose the bill and by one or two people who have given evidence who support the bill—that support should be available for those who are not immediately leaving the sale of sex. Do you agree with that as well?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I am sure that we will pursue that with Ms Regan when she gives us evidence.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I was not far off.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Please feel free to continue on the point that you were making. I wanted the top line first.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Is the operator not obliged to soak up any of that cost? Does the cost fall on the public purse?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Okay, thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

So there is direct engagement—you are not just relying on written evidence.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is useful to know, and we may want to hear more about it in due course.

Minister, you mentioned that there would be a need for substantial amendments to the bill to ensure that it can work effectively with regard to the fundamental principle of criminalising the purchase of sex, which you support. Can you set out in a bit more detail what you mean by the substantial amendments that would be required?