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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Nonetheless, that perception exists, so what are you doing to try to ensure that that perception is minimised, to take care of those concerns as you take forward the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Thank you, convener. I will stick with the theme, because our primary concern is the safety of women and girls who are involved in the selling of sex.

Ash Regan, you have obviously set out the principle and the conceptual nature of the purchase of sex as an act of violence against women and girls. I am the father of a daughter, and I understand that point, but what we are doing here is assessing the bill that we have before us and its practical impact. We have heard from a number of witnesses—and you have said that you have listened to every voice—who have said that the provisions of the bill would make the experience for women involved less safe. You have said very clearly that you do not think that that is the case. At a high level, do you think that that perception is wrong?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Did you say that it was a £400 million difference?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

We can broadly apply that across the justice portfolio.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

We have certainly been sent evidence from the Swedish jurisdiction that would suggest that there has been a substantial reduction. I am not arguing against that, although we did have evidence from the Police Service of Northern Ireland that suggested that what they have done in Northern Ireland has had a limited impact.

The figures that you have set out are appalling. Any rational person would understand that. However, you have made the point yourself, as did our very first panel of witnesses, that, even with the bill, we will never be able to make the selling of sex truly safe. The bill will not make it truly safe, but the question is, will it make it less safe? I have heard your perspective, which you have set out very clearly. You have talked about all the stakeholders that you have engaged with. When you have engaged with those who are opposed to your bill, and in whose perspective it would increase the likelihood of selling sex being less safe, what have they said?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is helpful to understand.

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

There is a figure of £5 million. Approximately how many prison officers would that pay for?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Good morning. I have asked this question of everyone who has come before the committee to give evidence for budget scrutiny, so I will ask you the same question. What has been the impact on your organisation as a consequence of the United Kingdom Government’s decision to increase employer national insurance contributions?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Is that to 2031?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I would like to pick up on the issue of safety, which has been a substantial concern for me and, I think, all of us on the committee. In one of our evidence sessions, someone made the point—which I was very taken with—that you can never make the selling of sex truly safe. The fundamental question for us is whether the bill makes it less safe for those involved. There has been conflicting evidence but concerns about safety have definitely been expressed—at the very least, there is a perception that the bill could make things less safe. Is that your uppermost concern?