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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

Thanks, convener. The 2022 report on the NFI talked about a Cabinet Office consultation on extending legal powers in relation to the purposes for which data matching was used. You are already covered under section 97 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 for prevention and detection of crime other than fraud and to assist in the apprehension and prosecution of offenders. Is Audit Scotland satisfied that it has the necessary legislative powers to undertake the NFI exercise effectively?

This committee, over a number of years, has expressed concerns about the number of public bodies that are in receipt of large sums of money but which do not participate and have determined not to voluntarily participate. Can you give us a little bit more information about what you need? We have asked you directly in the past, every time a report has come up, about what you would need in the way of legislative powers to extend the NFI more effectively in Scotland. To be honest, the responses have been pretty ambivalent.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

The fact is that those ALEOs are in receipt of substantial sums of public funds, but you have no powers to mandate their participation. Is that not a shortfall in your legislative powers?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

You spoke about risk assessing the different data sets. Some of these bodies are submitting only payroll and creditors data sets. You mentioned council tax among other data sets that could be provided. Surely that area would carry a high risk due to the potential for fraud. Should that not be mandated as a data set to be included?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

So, bodies are providing that data.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

Therefore, it is not just payroll and creditor data sets.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

In the past, Audit Scotland has expressed concern about having access to ALEOs. I understand that some ALEOs at least are now being caught up in the exercise. Where are we on that?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

With regard to expenditure that is useful to the NFI exercise, which significant areas are excluded or are poorly participating?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

If there are no changes, can you say more about what is happening with the Cabinet Office with regard to delivering improved outcomes? Presumably, you have been working on that for a couple of years, so where are we on that?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. There is an increase in NFI savings and outcomes from £14.9 million to £21.5 million. That is not a lot when you look at the exercise overall, but it has increased. Supposedly, that is partly because of the recovery from Covid-19. You also referred to some changes in methodologies. Can you expand on the changes that have led to that increase?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Colin Beattie

Many of the participating bodies submit only payroll and creditors data sets for matching. Obviously, that limits the outcomes that can be achieved. Maybe you can indicate which public bodies are submitting only that sort of data. Does that mean that there is scope for some public bodies to submit more data sets? If so, what are they, and why are they not doing that?