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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
Jonathan, you were talking about the need to upgrade and modernise your systems. To be blunt, I would point out that the last time that you tried to do that, it did not work so well—I cannot remember how many billions you wrote off on that one. What are the prospects of getting the money that you need to drive those changes, which will clearly be beneficial not just for Scotland but for the whole of the UK?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
From what you are saying, a lot more is going on than the committee was aware of. We go by what the NAO says, and it is unequivocal about the low level of investment in such evaluations. Why does the information from the NAO seem to be pointing in one direction, when you are saying that a lot of other stuff is going on? Does the NAO not have access to that information?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
I have one final question, which is about the impact of tax divergence. The Comptroller and Auditor General said:
“One of our big critiques of Government generally, including HMRC, is the surprisingly low level of investment in evaluation of the impact of different policies.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 19 February 2025; c 10.]
Does the Scottish Government have enough information about the impact of its tax policies to be able to make informed choices in the future?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
What you have said actually emphasises my concerns. The NAO report shows so many estimates, projections and UK-wide calculations, including for the south-east of England—which, of course, distorts any figures for any other place—and we are relying on those figures to calculate the Scottish rate of income tax. Looking at the NAO report, you would say, “My gosh, so many areas here are actually quite weak.” However, when I speak to HMRC or to you, you give reassurance that things are not, in fact, quite as drastic as they would appear in the NAO report. Would you agree with that?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
If it were to be possible to get that information, that would be really helpful.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
I will return to the issue of estimates, which is something that has exercised this committee and me for a number of years. There seems to be a difference between what the National Audit Office says and what HMRC says. It is in the nature of being an auditor that you always approach things from a more negative point of view, because that is the job. However, the Comptroller and Auditor General noted:
“When it comes to the outturn calculation, our exercise shows that we can take material assurance on the accuracy of the figure, most of which is based on actual records of Scottish taxpayers. However, while we have our current systems, an element of it will always be an estimate. Reducing the uncertainty even further will require significant investment in more accurate Scottish data.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 19 February 2025; c 13-14.]
It is obviously a concern that we get accurate figures. I am not saying whether it would be a gain or a loss for Scotland if we had accurate figures, but accurate figures are important for planning ahead. If additional resources were available to invest in more accurate Scottish income tax data, where should that be prioritised? Which area would give the biggest results?
09:45Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
A service level agreement is in place between HMRC and the Scottish Government. To start with, I want to ask a daft question, which Alyson Stafford can perhaps answer. The page that is headed “Purpose” references a requirement for the Scottish Government to meet any “net additional costs”. Can you define what a net additional cost is?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
So—to be clear—there is an intention to revisit the SLA.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
But we are very reliant on the UK systems here.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 March 2025
Colin Beattie
I will start my questions by asking whether the HMRC representatives can help me with a figure that I do not think has come out. We have seen evidence that more people are coming to Scotland than leaving, but what is the aggregate value of the tax gains or losses when comparing the inward taxpayers with the outward taxpayers?