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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Colin Beattie

If you are recruiting internally, having a pipeline of skilled people coming up the line is absolutely essential. The previous committee commented that there was a relatively small number of people in that pipeline and that, among that small number of people, there was an even smaller number of people who were interested in taking on chief executive posts. Has that situation changed?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Colin Beattie

Auditor General, for quite a lot of years now, we have had concerns about the quality of leadership across the public sector, with, of course, specific concerns quite often arising about the national health service.

I note that your report lays out some issues with regard to recruitment. That is not a new thing; indeed, as far back as 2019, our predecessor committee called on the Scottish Government to take urgent action to address the leadership challenges across the public sector.

There are a number of issues in that respect. The previous committee looked at the apparent insufficiency of people putting themselves forward for, say, chief executive posts and so on, and at a round-table meeting that was held, there was a feeling was that there was a problem with the environment that some of these people were expected to be promoted into as chief executives and that that was a deterrent in itself. I do not know whether that was a valid statement; it simply came up at the round-table session.

Has that situation improved? Are there more people coming up who have the skills and ability—and, indeed, the willingness—to take on chief executive posts?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Colin Beattie

Given that this is a bit of an anomaly, what is the situation like in the rest of the UK? Are the issues similar? Is turnover of senior staff similar?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Colin Beattie

You mentioned stability, which is tremendously important. Given the number of movements that we are seeing, is it not inevitable that some instability will feed into the system, given that so many people have taken up their posts over such a short time? Surely it will be difficult to provide continuity.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Colin Beattie

You mentioned all the changes that the NHS needs to drive through. Are you satisfied that internal recruitment will achieve that? Although there are benefits to internal recruitment, we want there to be competition so that we get the best people into post. Are we losing out from the point of view of cross-pollination in getting the skills that we need?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Colin Beattie

If the subsidiary was audited separately, would Audit Scotland have sight of the audit reports? Would you scrutinise them in the interests of looking at the health of the group?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Colin Beattie

From what you have said, the college has not really given an adequate reason why, given the knowledge that it had, it did not do anything.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Colin Beattie

Were they, in fact, signing off in the full knowledge that no contract was in place?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Colin Beattie

The report says that the

“review of the procurement in relation to the Fuel Change project ... identified spend of £677,597 (excluding VAT) across three suppliers that were appointed without a procurement process being followed, and resulting in breaches of the Financial Memorandum.”

Will you explain what the financial memorandum is, its role in governing college spending and how it interacts with procurement and governance frameworks?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Colin Beattie

Does the SFC manage that? How far does it monitor such activities?