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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

I will cover a couple of other things on the MBA side. On 31 July 2024, the director general net zero confirmed that he is

“not aware of any other public bodies in Scotland that require senior staff to hold MBAs”.

What is so different in WICS that senior staff are required to hold MBAs?

I am still curious about the meaning of the word “analyst”. I do not know whether that is a high-level post or a lower level one.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

Knowing what is in an MBA, it is hard to see how an MBA is particularly appropriate as a medium to upskill people who are working as analysts in WICS.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

To put to bed the issue of the MBA programmes, have you completed your human resources review of policies and procedures, which you said would include a full review of staff training and the policy of funding MBA programmes? Has that been completed?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

Yes, but you are not actually answering the question. Is there, or was there, a requirement that senior members of staff—I am not sure what the definition of “senior” is—hold an MBA? That is the Scottish Government’s understanding, so is that correct or not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

I also want to know whether employment offers included access to an MBA qualification as part of the contract. That is a whole grey area; we need to understand what the policies were and how they were executed, as well as how the communication between the Scottish Government and WICS operated. Was the Scottish Government fully informed of how you were operating in that respect? Those are all key questions.

I will return to WICS. The opportunity to obtain an MBA was supposedly essential for staff retention. Why was it considered to be appropriate to spend nearly £120,000 of public money to do that? I am talking about the specific case that has been quoted.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

I would like to ask about staff training, in particular the MBA situation. In WICS’s FOI response of 10 July this year, there was a copy of an approval form for a member of staff to attend the executive MBA programme at the London Business School on 8 May 2018, at a total cost of £119,300. The form states:

“To support the further development of [redacted] the employment offer included the opportunity to obtain sponsorship for the completion of an MBA Executive Programme.”

That is important. It is in relation to the employment offer.

In its letter of 10 June to the director general net zero, the Scottish Government says:

“the Scottish Government was aware from 2006 ... that WICS had a policy of funding MBAs for senior staff. In 2014 the Scottish Government approved a WICS Pay and Grading Restructure ... which included ... a fully funded MBA, available after 4 years’ service”.

In 2017, again, through a revised grading structure, the Scottish Government referred to

“senior members of staff being required to hold an MBA”.

Is the MBA part of the contract of employment? Were certain—or all—members of staff offered an MBA? If so, on what terms?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

It seems to contradict the Scottish Government’s understanding, so I will ask the Scottish Government—perhaps Michelle Quinn—what its understanding was. Did it understand that that was part of the contract of employment? Did it believe that there was a requirement for senior members of staff to have an MBA?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

I come back to the question of the MBA. The approval form reads as though that member of staff accessed the course as a result of their contract of employment. I have been asking whether all contracts of employment for senior staff or staff above a certain grade offer that—that is not clear to me.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

The name is redacted, so I do not have that information, but it is the case in which the person went to the London Business School on 8 May 2018. It was included in your FOI response of 10 July.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Colin Beattie

The form implies that they were. If you could come back with confirmation of that, that would be good, because I might have a question after you come back to us.