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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Colin Beattie

Maybe you could tell us a few.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Colin Beattie

To be honest, the reasons that you are giving are fairly thin. There are many different ways—well, not many, but there are a few—to approach this. I speak from my experience in the private sector and, in general, I have never seen or heard of unlimited expenses—taking the cap off—and relying on individuals to decide whether something is value for money and to determine their own flights and all the rest of it. That does not happen.

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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Colin Beattie

I am relieved to hear that, but opening up a six-month window that could potentially allow a free for all does not sound like the best way forward. I would question why the audit and risk committee would even consider putting that forward to the board. To me that is also unheard of.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Colin Beattie

Well, we can at least agree on that.

I have one final question. There have been a lot of changes within WICS, and big efforts have been made to bring WICS to the standard that is needed to ensure that all expenditure complies and represents value for money, and that there is also proper scrutiny and governance. Have the changes that have taken place been an overreaction? I do not know—I am just putting this to you. Often what happens when something goes wrong is that you immediately put layer after layer of scrutiny on it, to the extent that that scrutiny itself becomes something that is not value for money. What is your opinion on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Colin Beattie

Does FMPG ever refer to the sponsor team?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Colin Beattie

They did.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Colin Beattie

Yes.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Colin Beattie

I would like to look at a couple of areas of governance and internal control, some of which have been touched on already. I think that it was Andrew Miller who said that there had been no internal control within the company. I have two questions about that. First, was there previously internal control, which was dismantled? Secondly, is it an industry norm not to have internal control?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Colin Beattie

Given that FMPG has no obligation to comply with it, is there any aspect of the public sector pay policy that you are complying with, or is the approach entirely driven by private sector levels of pay and so on?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Colin Beattie

When you say “tightening up”, does that mean that those internal controls were not in place when FMPG was formed?