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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Colin Beattie

There just seems to be such a big and fundamental gap in the overall picture. I am relying on the good work of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, but I do not see where its work on the issue has been built on in Audit Scotland’s report in order to bring out that critical part of the picture. We can all argue about the contract—a huge amount of documentation has been online for some time in connection to that—but how will we address the issue of the failure of the contractor? That question mark is still sitting there.

In response to the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee’s report, the Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands highlighted that he felt that even that report did not reflect in full the

“contribution of the contractor’s non-performance, contract management and financial management, described in independent evidence”.

Why are we being so precious about this? If there is evidence that points to non-performance by the contractor that has contributed to charges on the public purse, and that applications for funding have not been made in the correct way, that should all be brought out and highlighted.

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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Colin Beattie

Okay. I have lots more questions, but I am happy to—

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Colin Beattie

There is something I wish to point out before Nicola Dickie comes in. The Auditor General’s briefing is dated January 2022. I applaud the optimism in everything that the witnesses are expressing about collaborative work, but that is not being evidenced in what is coming before the committee. It will obviously take time before that work feeds through but, based on the evidence that the committee has seen, it is substandard, to be honest.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Colin Beattie

We have talked a lot about the contract and we can argue about its different aspects. However, contracts are only really there for when things go wrong, so that there is something to refer to. In this situation—again, I refer to the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee report—it is alleged that the company did not act in the proper way in order to receive the correct payments.

As I say, contracts are there for when things go wrong, but, generally speaking, we do not expect things to go wrong. Generally speaking, delivery is made, there is good will and parties work together, but that has not taken place. There are a lot of questions around that, and the questions will get bigger and bigger. If you carry out an investigation to ensure that the contractor’s apparent failures are highlighted or explained—who knows, they might be explainable—that is where the big questions are.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Colin Beattie

Just—

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Colin Beattie

That is in line with your letter to the committee. I assume that you would have reviewed the report as part of your audit process. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Colin Beattie

Leadership in the public sector is a concern that has been raised depressingly often. In this case, I draw the witnesses’ attention to paragraph 20 of the Auditor General’s briefing, which says:

“The health and social care sector needs stable and collaborative leadership to address the … challenges”.

There is also reference to the local government overview of 2020, which

“emphasised the critical need for effective leadership”,

which was absent. Also, the “NHS in Scotland 2020” report

“highlighted the continuing lack of stable NHS senior leadership, with high turnover and short-term posts.”

Those are serious issues. Leadership is vital but we often find that it is absent. We are considering the challenges that face social care, which seems to face exactly the same issues with leadership. Perhaps Caroline Lamb might comment on that and how it is being tackled.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

The committee has heard repeatedly that there is no one-size-fits-all solution to supporting our town centres. It has also been said repeatedly that, in order to succeed, we need to successfully bring together local communities and businesses. We have asked for examples of that—even just one—that stand out as a success, but no one has been able to point to any. Do the witnesses have any examples of effective collaboration between the public, private and third sectors and local communities that has achieved a success story in a town centre?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

During the various committee meetings, and from the information that we have received from witnesses—including yourselves—I have been struck by the fact that both local and national Government need to provide some financial support, certainly in the initial stages. There is talk about the need for business rate relief and about evening up the competition between online providers and local providers by bringing in a digital sales tax. To what extent are the models that we are looking at dependent, in the long term, on some form of external subsidy? Is there a point at which businesses become self-sustaining and are there milestones leading to that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Colin Beattie

Not necessarily, but maybe Kirkcaldy. I do not know.