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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

The Home Office gave the excuse that it was about Windrush, but that is a fairly discrete group of people. Does it really impact that much on the big picture? Is the Home Office saying that that impacts on a wide group of people?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

Okay.

The report says on page 4:

“Residential care home data, direct payments and social care customers’ data were not matched in the 2020/21 exercise due to a legal question being raised around the definition of patient data.”

Can you tell us a bit more about that legal issue? Will it be resolved soon?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

The obvious question is: what has the impact been?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

The report says that data from 11 councils was

“inadvertently deleted”,

so

“full supporting documentation is not available for these councils. The Cabinet Office has taken steps to prevent this error from re-occurring.”

Let us hope so. What is the impact of that? Does that relate to council tax discounts?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

So there is hope.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

An awful lot of what you said is very similar to what we have heard in other instances of governance failure; there is a lot to be done afterwards, but at the time the governance was weak. At what point did you realise that the governance structure was failing?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

For many years, the committee has looked at report after report from the Auditor General that has highlighted failures in governance. At times, it seems that it is almost endemic, and it is really disappointing that the SPCB falls into the same category. This seems like an extraordinary failure in governance, and so, quite simply, I ask you: was your governance fit for purpose during the period in question?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

Were you satisfied that you had sufficient processes in place to highlight when such issues were coming up? For example, when were you sighted on the fact that statutory directions were coming from the Standards Commission? That was an extraordinary event.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

But you had substantial influence over the commissioner, given your oversight role. How did you engage with the commissioner? Were there regular meetings and exchanges of information?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Colin Beattie

What would an escalation process be? The whole thing broke down, and the governance broke down. Presumably, your relationship became a bit strained, given the differences of opinion and so forth. Where would you normally go from there? How would the escalation process work?