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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Colin Beattie

Paragraphs 30 to 32 of the briefing paper talk about the number of private finance contracts in Scotland. The paper says that there are 130 with a capital value of £9 billion. You have also highlighted the point that 22 PFI contracts with a value of £900 million will end by 2030. There is quite a difference in the PFI contracts and what happens at the end of them, such as whether there is a purchase agreement.

Some of those 130 contracts will still have a life of 20 years or so in them and others will have rather less. They are individual contracts, but what is behind them? For example, a school might be built with a PFI contract, but my understanding is that there was a degree of bundling at some points. Are any of those 130 contracts bundled contracts that would have greater value and therefore greater risk when they come to maturity?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Colin Beattie

Do we have any risk analysis of those individual projects? The financial risk involved at the end of the project will be different for all of them.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

I am going to ask you a question about that, so if you leave it for the moment, that would be great.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

It all sounds like a bit of déjà vu. Have we not been through all this before, over the years? I have sat on this committee now for 13 years. Every time colleges come up, the maintenance backlog comes up and someone will prioritise doing some assessment for allocating funds for the most urgent work, and all the rest of it. It sounds as if the situation is exactly the same, again.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

I presume that you will take an interest in what comes out of that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

How is the college sector in relation to reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete? Do we have any knowledge of that? Has an assessment been carried out?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

I will move on to something slightly different. Covid-19 restrictions are, obviously, no longer in place. Is there any evidence that colleges are pursuing non-SFC funding sources, such as generating money from commercial activities and so on? The great cry before Covid was that such sources were going to generate all this money. Has that happened?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

It would just be interesting to know what is anything happening in that respect.

The other big issue, and it is one that everybody has touched on to some extent, is that there has been a real-terms reduction of 8.5 per cent in college funding between 2021-22 and 2023-24. Clearly, that will have a huge impact. You have already highlighted some of the risks that are coming down the line in terms of salaries and so on. What constraints do you think that it will put on the colleges? It is a general question.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

I like to think that 8.5 per cent reduction figure was not pulled out of a hat and that there was some anticipation that colleges would be able to cope with that decrease in funding and would be able to find efficiencies or other ways of delivering that would accommodate that. Do you have information on that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Colin Beattie

I have a last question. I find that there is a bit of an anomaly in relation to differences between funding years. The Scottish Government has a budget that works on the financial year April to March, while the colleges are funded for the academic year, which is August to July. To what extent does that cause difficulty for colleges? It seems a bit daft, in some ways.