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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

On that particular point, you said “each college”. Does that mean that there is no common approach and that there could be differences in the formula, for want of a better word, that colleges use to determine which courses to retain?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

There must be a practical situation whereby colleges’ financial position is going to improve as a result of the changes. That is the purpose of the changes—to give the colleges flexibility and the ability to improve their situation. You must have done a projection as to what the changes will achieve.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

Thank you, convener.

I would like to cover a couple of topics, one of which is potential staff reductions, which my colleague Graham Simpson mentioned. It is clear that staff are a college’s biggest expense. That is not a surprise, given the nature of the business that colleges are in. However, some colleges know that they need to make—or potentially need to make—significant staffing reductions. Some of those are fairly extreme.

I have a couple of questions to ask. I do not know whether you will have an answer to the first one.

First, part of the increase in staff costs is the result of the cost of living negotiations with the union. Those costs are not insignificant. However, there is also the fixed element of staff increments every year. Unless a person is at the top of their grade, they will receive a certain increment each year. I do not know how much that would be—typically, the figure that I have seen elsewhere is 3 or 5 per cent. What element of the increase in staff costs are the fixed costs that come every year? I realise that there will be a slight difference each year, but roughly what proportion is that increase in comparison with the cost of living increases?

Secondly, I think that trying to maintain a quality curriculum has already been mentioned. Given the sheer depth of some of the potential staff cuts, there will still be an impact on the curriculum even if they are mitigated to an extent. How will you prioritise which part of the curriculum to retain and which part to cease? That is quite a difficult thing to ask. I do not know who wants to come in on that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

I would have thought that understanding the level of fixed commitment every year would be quite an important element in terms of increases in staff costs.

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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

I will come back to the first question to which you responded. On the first portion of your answer, it is quite logical for colleges to continually review their courses and what they offer to the market. However, we are talking about something quite different here—we are talking about a forced reduction in the number of courses that are offered. Do colleges raise the bar so that there is a change in the criteria under which a course might be offered, with the result that not enough people apply for it? Instead of having X number of people applying, which would have been fine previously, the bar is raised and only the more popular courses are offered. Gradually, we will see shrinkage through that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

I will move on to a slightly different aspect. The SFC has introduced a new funding distribution model and new guidance, which are supposed to give colleges better flexibility and greater opportunity to respond to local needs. I believe that the Scottish Government is looking at the possibility of further changes in college funding arrangements. Perhaps you can summarise where you are on that at the moment. Are the Scottish Government and the SFC giving colleges enough clarity on their priorities within the funding that is available to them?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

You must have projected what the practical financial implications of that will be for colleges. What is the financial impact going to be?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Colin Beattie

We have talked about potential further changes. Do we have any timescale on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Colin Beattie

Divergence in certain areas is, perhaps, not unreasonable, given the devolved settlement and so on, but “wildly different” is a fairly extreme statement for anyone to make. Do you agree with that statement?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Colin Beattie

During its evidence taking, the committee has looked at aspects of the development of the just transition plans and at how joined-up they are. What co-ordination has there been between the Scottish Government, the UK Government and local authorities, for example? Do the plans align with those different layers of government?