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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you, convener.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

Good morning. My internal red flag went up when I saw that the industry representative was entirely comfortable with this level of regulation, which leaves me worried that it will not be robust enough. One of our witnesses said earlier that, although this is better than nothing, you are taking the path of least resistance, particularly in relation to the scope and aspects of harmful activity that will not be covered. Why is that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

I will probably ask the minister how we ensure the adoption of the principle that the cost of regulation falls on the industry that is being regulated.

I will move on to talk about how we might expect the regulations to work alongside the other aspects of how the industry is regulated. Can we improve compliance with the regulations by aligning them with other aspects of what local authorities do to regulate the industry, whether that is on environmental standards or other aspects that they already have responsibility for? Can we get a more effective bang for our buck, if you like, from the resources that local authorities have available to make sure that we achieve compliance in a more coherent way?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

None at all?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

I am trying to be very specific in a limited amount of time. Did you say that you are working with COSLA and that the intention is that it will be given enough resource to enforce the regulations, and that COSLA will be satisfied with the amount of resource that it will have?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

Do you mean that we need to be clear about what it is, understand it and also provide it?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

This is my very last question, then. How do you intend to measure and monitor the impact of the regulations? How will that be evaluated so that we know what needs to happen next?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

Does COSLA agree that it has enough support?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

Are there any other views?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Patrick Harvie

That is fair. I suspect that it might be something of an understatement if I say that some of my colleagues would be sceptical that relying purely on our ability to persuade the Government to be forthcoming is enough. Some of our colleagues would trust that that might happen and some would be deeply sceptical about it.

I guess that my emphasis on trying to have some scrutiny before decisions are made is in the context that, for roughly half the history of the Scottish Parliament we have had a minority Government. In the Westminster culture—and some of this came across in the experience we had in our visit to London recently—there is almost an expectation that the Government is naturally the source of authority rather than merely a body to be scrutinised. In a period of minority government such as the current period, the Government still has the right to make decisions such as the signing off of common frameworks—let us assume that progress is made, at the tail end of this parliamentary session, on the signing off of common frameworks—and although, in theory, no Government can bind its successor, the UK Government would strongly expect that a common framework put in place will last through successive changes of Government.

However, if we simply accept that common frameworks have been signed off, that will constrain the ability of future devolved Scottish Governments, whether they have a majority or not, to make decisions on devolved matters, and that constraint will have been put in place by a minority Government, without the consent of Parliament. My concern is about the legitimacy of decisions that are being made in a Government-to-Government relationship without being held to scrutiny.