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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 August 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

Was the BBC responsible for that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

It is a more modest change perhaps, then?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

Good morning. I will follow up the same theme that Emma Harper started and that Joe Fitzpatrick continued: the list of treatments that you have made clear is non-exhaustive, not prescriptive and can be changed. Specific issues might have been considered for such a list but have not been included, such as harm reduction. There are those who make a case for heroin-assisted treatment not as a default, but because it has been shown to be effective in certain circumstances and successive UK Governments have allowed it. I am interested in exploring not only that but the question whether any list—even a non-prescriptive, non-exhaustive one—is the right way to go.

You said that the bill would increase the range of treatments that are available. Although you might be strongly of the view that it would increase the pressure on Government and public sector bodies to invest in capacity, it would not actually increase the range of treatments that are available. You also said that it would empower individuals to access the treatment that they believe is right for them, but the bill’s achieving what you have described would not sit well, it seems, with the points that you have just made about clinical judgment in each case.

Surely, any bill that is composed of a list, as this one is, will place an emphasis on the things that are included in the list and risk de-emphasising others. Effectively, providing a list makes a political judgment in place of what should be a clinical judgment. By taking a list-based approach, are we not mistaking a political judgment for what should be a clinical one?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

Nicotine can lead to people dying.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you for the clarity. I am still a little unclear about the rationale for saying that intoxication, as such, determines the right to access the treatment considered under the terms of the bill. New substances are coming on to the market all the time, and a drug could come along that is lethal and highly addictive but that does not cause intoxication leading to a loss of control. I do not want to overstate the issue, as it may have been considered already during a previous evidence session, but it is a little unclear to me why intoxication—which is clearly a relevant safety issue in road traffic offences—is relevant to people’s access to addiction recovery services.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

I see.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

Why is that relevant to the question of treatment for recovery from addiction?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

That would require further primary legislation.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

I can see why it is relevant to road traffic law, because you need to be in control of a vehicle. Could Mr Ross explain why intoxication is relevant to addiction recovery, whereas addiction to a legal or illegal drug that does not intoxicate would not be treated in the same way?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

I do not disagree with your points about investment in capacity. Investment in public services is a political decision. However, do you understand the concern about what you have just suggested? It means that when we get to stages 2 and 3, we will be deciding ourselves, as MSPs, on the case for and against particular treatments and debating amendments to include them in a list. My worry is that that is not our judgment to make and that it would inevitably impact on the types of service that receive investment and, almost automatically, the types that do not receive increased investment.