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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

We will perhaps need to discuss that in detail as we get into the evidence on the bill.

Mr Kerr talked about the purposes of the protection of monopoly rights, which UEFA and others who organise similar events insist on. They would make the case that those rights are necessary to make the event commercially viable. Mr Kerr, perhaps understandably, talked about the impact on other businesses that might want to compete for that custom. However, there is also a concern about the impact on civil liberties. There have been a number of instances, not just in this country but around the world, where similar legislation has been used not against commercial operators who were trying to rip off a brand, but against messages, protests or expressions that have criticised some of the multi-billion-dollar brands around the world for their ethical behaviour.

Where has the Government sought to draw the line in protecting the brands that UEFA and its partner businesses will be concerned about, but also protecting civil liberties at the level of either organised peaceful protest or, for example, somebody wearing a T-shirt that satirises a brand?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

That is helpful. Thank you very much.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

Flegs!

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

The power does not allow the accessing of data on devices of that kind. Would it allow the seizing or destroying of those devices?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Patrick Harvie

I want to ask about the enforcement provisions. I apologise that I have not yet had time to compare the bill with the 2020 bill as introduced or as passed, but I am interested in the changes that were made to that bill during its passage through Parliament. In particular, there were discussions about the need to protect people against personal searches and searches of their electronic devices, the argument being that the police already have those powers and that, when they exercise them because they suspect that a crime has been committed, they have set procedures and safeguards to protect people. The expansion of those powers to council officers for the purposes of trading and advertising offences could have risked the unnecessary violation of privacy rights.

Has the Government modelled the bill on the 2020 bill as introduced or as passed? Have the changes that were discussed and agreed by Parliament been incorporated into the bill that we are discussing?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 (Consultation and Review)

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Patrick Harvie

That is very kind.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 (Consultation and Review)

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 (Consultation and Review)

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Patrick Harvie

The point that I am making, though, is that Parliament needs to be able to do more than ask questions, and even more than get answers to questions. Although there is an agreement across the Parliament that the common frameworks architecture should be made to work, individual common frameworks are not put to Parliament for debate, scrutiny and amendment. Once common frameworks have been agreed between the Governments, that effectively constrains the ability of Parliament to legislate. Is there not a similar question to be asked about the common frameworks architecture and where parliamentary authority and the right to decide lie?

That is a little bit in the same sense that there is a massive unanswered question about the right of the devolved jurisdictions to decide in the context of the IMA.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 (Consultation and Review)

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Patrick Harvie

I put on record my apologies for being a few minutes late and missing the cabinet secretary’s initial remarks.

It is probably not unknown for committee members to hear only the evidence that they want to hear. I am bracing myself for the sessions in which we agree a committee report, but I am confident that the majority of the committee will reflect the balance of the evidence that we have heard. I have heard people give evidence that supports the Scottish Government’s position and evidence that departs from it. We have heard a range of evidence, and I want to reflect on it all.

I want to ask two things: first, about the Scottish Government’s position, and then about your understanding of the UK Government’s position. I might regret saying this, but the latter is more likely to direct where we get to with the issue. You not only suggest that the internal market act itself is unnecessary—I am comfortable with that proposition—but that the common frameworks arrangements and architecture are adequate and that we should rest on those in order to ensure market access and so on.

I recognise that the internal market act constrains the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government’s power, but is it not equally arguable that common frameworks constrain the Scottish Parliament’s power, because they are subject to agreement between Governments? The internal market act might have offered a tolerable way forward if it had been co-legislated—if this Parliament had had an opportunity to debate and amend the bill and to decide whether it agreed to it. If that had been a joint piece of work between two jurisdictions, it might have been an agreeable way forward.

That has not happened with common frameworks, either. Do common frameworks not constrain the power of Parliament and give a little bit of unaccountable power to Governments? Is there a way in which you could see common frameworks evolving to ensure that the bulk of the authority and power rests with the Parliament, which is the body that the Scottish people ultimately gave that authority to when they created this place?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 (Consultation and Review)

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you.

The minimum unit pricing example leads on quite well to my final question, which is on the UK Government’s position—or at least, cabinet secretary, your understanding of the UK Government’s position.

As a Green politician, I am well used to having to hold fast to the true vision of what I believe in, while at the same time recognising that there will not be a majority for it and that I will have to compromise and figure out how close I can get to it. I am not going to suggest that you should not advocate for what is in your paper—in fact, I would probably advocate for a lot of what is in it with regard to the architecture that ought to be in place. However, we know that, in reality, the current UK Government seems unlikely to scrap the IMA and might not even make major changes to it.

Therefore, I would like to ask you about your attitude to some of the specific propositions for change that some of our witnesses have talked about. One proposition was for an explicit list of criteria for exemptions. Indeed, if we had had such a list, and if minimum unit pricing had been taking place under the IMA, we would have been able to argue that it aligned with a specific exemption criterion. Another proposition was for a shift in the burden of proof, so that the default expectation would be that devolved legislatures had the right to act, and the UK Government would have to come forward with a sufficient burden of proof if it wanted to constrain that. Those kinds of more modest changes do not go as far as I want—and they will not go as far as you want, either, cabinet secretary—but if they are achievable, what will be the Scottish Government’s attitude to them? Do you think that, politically, they are achievable, given the discussions that you have had so far with UK colleagues?