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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

I have a supplementary question on the connection between human health, climate and environmental health and animal health and wellbeing. If we accept what you say, achieving what you described as a more plant-forward diet—and perhaps a less meat-intensive agriculture system and diet—will need a considered, nuanced approach. In making the case that that can be done in a way that is beneficial to the rural economy and is in keeping with the direction towards which many people’s diets are gradually changing anyway, do you agree that public attitudes are more receptive than some political attitudes at the moment? We have seen, for example, the right-wing press and some politicians react in an opportunistic way—with a “We can’t do this; there would be a mass cull of all the animals and it would destroy the rural economy” kind of approach.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Sure—thank you.

10:30  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Can you give an example of how catering staff have shaped the plan or of how responses from unions or others have meant that those voices have been heard in that shaping?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

So that I understand the Government’s position, is the Government saying that it wants a less meat-intensive diet, a balanced approach to achieving, not a wholly plant-based diet, but, as was described in the previous session, a more plant-forward diet, and emissions reductions, but that that can be achieved without any reduction in meat production in Scotland?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

My question leads on quite well from that. I will talk about food education—a lot of that is about schools, but not exclusively so. At the highest level, is there enough ambition for food education in the plan? That may include cooking skills, but I am thinking about education around our relationship with food in a broader sense, whether that is in the curriculum or through education more widely.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

You mentioned training, skills and career opportunities, whether they are in food preparation, cooking, growing at a community level or in our agriculture system. We need to do a lot to make those opportunities and careers attractive, interesting and exciting, but we must also think about the current workforce, particularly within the public sector. Getting a culture change and a change of attitude is not always easy. We do not want people to feel that they are just being berated and told that they are doing it all wrong, but we do need to achieve significant change. How will the Government work with the workforce, particularly in the public sector where there is a far more direct employer responsibility, to create a sense that the existing staff feel part of any change agenda in the food culture and have a sense of ownership?

11:15  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

I will go back a wee bit, as I have a supplementary question on the one health issue that was raised a few minutes ago—broadly speaking, the idea that we can achieve coherence among human health, climate and sustainability, and animal health and wellbeing, and that a less meat-intensive agriculture system, as well as a less meat-intensive diet, is a positive route to achieving all three of those things.

From the last panel, we heard a call for a balanced and nuanced understanding of those issues, and a rejection of the idea that there is some kind of extreme demand for mass culls of animals that would destroy the rural economy, or the idea that there is no such thing as a healthy vegetarian or plant-based diet, because, of course, there is.

How can you convince us that the Government is embracing that balanced and considered approach to uniting those agendas, when it has explicitly rejected the advice of the UK Climate Change Committee on agriculture and land use, basically because the Government does not want to start talking about less meat production?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Patrick Harvie

Okay.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Gaza

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

I appreciate that very long answer about what the cabinet secretary called the wider issues. My question was narrow, though, and I would appreciate an answer to the narrow question. There is no doubt that there will be some legal constraints with regard to reserved powers and what can be done in practice, but I am asking about the principle: does the Scottish Government support boycotts, divestment and sanctions—to whatever extent possible within the law—against Israel?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Gaza

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

I am afraid I—