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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

James Dornan

Thanks for that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

James Dornan

Emma Roddick raised a few of the points that I was going to make. I have been an Opposition politician. I was a councillor for a number of years in Glasgow, and I understand why Jeremy Balfour and Pam Duncan-Glancy are looking for a reason to abstain on the motion. Jeremy Balfour’s reason seems to be that the minister never made a phone call. Pam Duncan-Glancy’s seems to be that her constituents will now get more money than they would have got before, so she is going to abstain. That does not make any sense whatsoever to me. It is not an ideal policy, but it is the best one that we are going to get, given our fixed budget. I would have liked to see the committee vote as one to support it.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

James Dornan

I cannot say for sure that it is, because I have not been involved in the discussions, but I do know that it is better than what we had previously and that it does not deserve the criticism that it has been getting from some members of the committee. We could be saying that we think that it could be improved and that we will be keeping an eye on it next year and in future years. We are working to a very strict timetable, and the other thing is that—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

James Dornan

Thank you for that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

James Dornan

Where does the extra money come from? You are talking about it being £1 a week and it being a “finger in the dam”. You are using all the phrases that the witnesses used last week, which is fair, but where does the extra money come from? It is extra money that has come from the Scottish Government to pay 200,000 people more than they were getting paid before. I accept that there are some potential losers, but surely we can see that the best is being done in the circumstances that we have.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

James Dornan

Good morning, minister. I do not know whom or what higher power I have upset, but my heating has been off for the past 24 hours, with no immediate sign of a thaw to the pipes. I appreciate that I—quite rightly—would not qualify for this benefit, but a number of my constituents will, I am sure, be going through the same experience right now. When I called my factor, they said that they had had hundreds of such calls over the past two days. First, when was the last time that my constituents, or people in Glasgow, received the cold weather payment? Secondly, would my constituents now benefit from the winter heating payment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

James Dornan

Just one second, Pam.

You cannot make guarantees about February if you are not getting the detail until 31 January. It is just not feasible to make such a promise.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

James Dornan

Your answer highlights the complexity of the matter. Whichever way we go, there will be winners and losers—that is an unfortunate phrase to use—and not everybody will be treated equally.

What are your views on not making additional payments in areas that experience more than three weeks of freezing temperatures? How much of a difference will that make? How much of an impact will it have?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

James Dornan

I am sorry to go back to Frazer Scott again, but he seems to be suggesting that all the ills of the people of Braemar are down to this payment. If people in Braemar are losing out, that is tragic, but, if it was the way that it used to be, people in Glasgow and other areas would lose out. It is not the case that everybody would be sorted if it was done in the old way or if it is done in the new way. It will surely be almost impossible to get a system in which everybody is covered.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

James Dornan

The minister will be in front of us next week and we will ask a lot of those questions then.

My next question is for Mark Simpson. How does breaking the link with the weather align with the statutory social security principles? Does it impact on them, or is it in line with them?