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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

The graphics on your screen came around the right way eventually, so we can now see them without needing a scribe. Thank you very much for joining us.

I suspend the meeting briefly while we change witnesses.

10:22 Meeting suspended.  

10:23 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

We will continue taking evidence on PE2099, which is on stopping the proposed centralisation of specialist neonatal units in NHS Scotland. For the second evidence session this morning, I am delighted to welcome Jim Crombie, co-chair of the perinatal sub-group of the best start implementation programme board; and Dr Andrew Murray, co-chair of the perinatal sub-group. Are there two co-chairs, or are there other co-chairs who are not with us?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I meant the ScotSTAR service itself. At the moment there are eight centres, but if there were only three, might the call on that resource, for transferring people to just three centres that are further away, be greater than is case at present, when there are eight?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Fine. Thank you very much.

Could you give us clarity on the intention of the best start report with regard to the final number of units? Obviously, we have eight, and there was a recommendation to move to between three and five, and the recommendation ended up at three. The committee is concerned to know whether there is scope to move beyond that figure of three towards the five that was within the range of parameters that were discussed.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

What about the question whether there should be three, four or five units?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

That was very helpful. I am sure that it will help inform colleagues as we proceed.

We have been joined by our parliamentary colleagues Tess White, Ruth Maguire and Rachael Hamilton. After the committee has asked questions, time permitting, I hope to invite them to ask questions that they might feel have not been properly addressed.

Chief constable, I listened to all of your statement with interest and care, and I am grateful for it, but was there an underlying admission in there that Police Scotland got something wrong? If so, why?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you, minister. We are at the stage in the political cycle when we are drawing our work together and looking for outcomes, because the parliamentary session ends in March.

Speaking on a personal level, I applaud the proactive engagement that you have had with David Hill’s parents, Rodger and Sharon, as well as with James Bundy and his family. The petitions were motivated by particularly personal tragic circumstances, and I know that you have invested a degree of time in engaging with them and consulting them as the way in which the Government might react and proceed has evolved. We are now at the business end of the various petitions before us.

I will start on the subject of defibrillator access, usage and community response. The public access defibrillator placement map has identified gaps. There is fantastically widespread availability, and we can see how much that has grown, as you outlined, in the course of this session of the Parliament. One of the interesting things to note is that some defibrillators do not get used very much, whereas others get used more often. That is interesting, as it points to the importance of placement and where everything should ultimately be.

People still largely rely on community fundraising and generous external sponsorship, and that has been a successful strategy, in that it has allowed for the defibrillators that we currently have to be located where they are. However, for more deprived communities—we can see them on the map, in Glasgow and the west of Scotland—is that a reasonable approach that will allow us to avoid having a postcode lottery? I am interested in how the Government plans to plug that gap. Is it through direct intervention and support, or is it through cajoling people or trying to identify people who might be available to lead efforts in communities or who might be generous enough to sponsor units in those places? Clearly, we do not want people who live in areas where there is a gap in provision to have less chance of surviving than those who live in areas where provision has been more obviously achieved.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

What causes you to hesitate on the BE FAST programme, minister?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Yes. Notwithstanding the wall of negativity that we have received from officialdom, with a view to penetrating that wall with further efforts, are members content to keep the petition open?

Members indicated agreement.

Concessionary Bus Travel Scheme (Asylum Seekers) (PE2028)

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Noted.

Are colleagues content?

Members indicated agreement.

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