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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
I point out that we should stick within the context of the petitions that we are considering this morning, and none of them covers nuclear development.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
I will return to you, Mr Ewing, but I know that Davy Russell is keen to come in. David Torrance is going to cover another area, and I also want to bring in our guest member—I have always encouraged our colleagues across the Parliament to join us to discuss petitions in which they are interested, and Oliver Mundell is with us today.
I will bring in Davy Russell first.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
David Torrance will come back in on the point about hydrogen. However, Mr Mundell, do you want first to come in on the areas that we are currently discussing?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
We would be very grateful if you would.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
Do you think that it might be published before the autumn of 2027?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
We discussed the evidence after the previous meeting, and we identified a number of areas of concern. I think that it is fair to the minister to say that she engaged directly with us on the issue, and she and some of the clinicians made a powerful case in some respects. However, areas of concern still remain for the committee. I think that those need and deserve to be pursued, so I am minded that the petition requires to stay open at present.
We have a little time in hand, and I see that Meghan Gallacher is with us this morning. Even though I have said that it might be less likely that other members are going to be called, is there anything that you would like to say, Meghan?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
I believe that the petitioner is with us in the public gallery today. The issues continue to be important, but, given the cabinet secretary’s response, I suspect that we can do nothing further in the time that is available to us. Do colleagues agree with the suggestion that the petition be resubmitted in the new parliamentary session but that we reluctantly close it at this point?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
Okay. We raised the matters with the minister, who supports some of the petition’s aims, so it is a case of demonstrating progress.
Do colleagues support the recommendation?
Members indicated agreement.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
This is another painful petition that we have wrestled with over the lifetime of the Parliament, but, given the situation that we are in, do colleagues support the proposal?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jackson Carlaw
PE2101, on providing defibrillators for all primary and secondary schools in Scotland, was lodged by Peter Earl on behalf of Troqueer primary school.
We last considered the petition on 7 May 2025, when we agreed to invite the Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health to give evidence.
During the oral evidence, the minister highlighted the importance of, as I said a short time ago, optimal defibrillator placement and pointed to the new PADmap tool, which shows the location of public access and identifies the areas where defibrillators are most needed.
The minister stated that, during a meeting with the First Minister and Rodger and Lesley Hill, the proposal in the petition was discussed. The DH9 Foundation, which is funded by Rodger and Lesley Hill, and the Save a Life for Scotland partnership subsequently recommended taking a data-driven and localised approach to increased defibrillator access.
The committee asked whether all children could be taught cardiopulmonary resuscitation in schools. The minister committed to discussing that with the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills.
Are there any suggestions as to how we might proceed?