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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Are colleagues content with that proposal?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I should have commenced today’s proceedings by saying that, although it might not seem so, the remaining length of the current parliamentary session is diminishing. Something like 126 petitions are still open, which means that there will be a limited number of times when we will be able to consider petitions between now and the dissolution of the Parliament. As we go forward, we will have to think quite carefully about what we can realistically hope to achieve. I say that not to diminish the importance of the subject matter of petitions, but it is important that, in the remaining time available to us, we identify the petitions that the committee believes we can pursue to a conclusion, on behalf of the petitioner, rather than just accepting that the general issue deserves to be explored, worthy as that might be, because, otherwise, we will run out of time. That is not a reflection on the next petition.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I am very pleased to say that we are joined, as we have been in the past, by Monica Lennon for consideration of PE1871, which was lodged by Karen McKeown on behalf of the shining lights for change group. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to carry out a full review of mental health services in Scotland, including consideration of the referral process, crisis support, risk assessments, safe plans, how integrated services work together, first-response support and the support that is available to families who have been affected by suicide.

We previously considered the petition on 25 October 2023, when we agreed to write to the Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport. The minister’s response to the committee sets out the journeys for individuals who seek help during a mental health crisis in areas with mental health assessment units and in areas with repurposed existing services. The response states:

“the user journeys are similar ... with the exception of the location”

of the senior clinical decision maker and where

“the specialist mental health assessment is performed.”

The minister’s submission highlights the “professional-to-professional pathway” for the Scottish Ambulance Service and Police Scotland in Lanarkshire, which allows them to directly contact senior clinical decision makers, and it states that the changes to mental health unscheduled care have not yet been evaluated.

The petitioner’s written submission details the information that she received after making freedom of information requests to all Scottish health boards and to NHS 24. Karen found that there is “inconsistency” between health boards in how mental health data is gathered, and she believes that there are

“no clear guidelines on how information is collected and stored.”

She has pursued the matter relentlessly. She believes that front-line staff are experiencing burnout and expresses concern about their wellbeing. She suggests that that contributes to long waiting times and puts a strain on mental health services. She states that there are still many unanswered questions and that only a full review will be able to answer them.

We have quite a full agenda, but I invite Monica Lennon to make some brief comments to the committee before we decide on our next actions.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

PE1936, which was lodged by Lesley Roberts, calls on the Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to improve road surfaces by creating an action plan to remove potholes from trunk roads across Scotland and to provide local councils with ring-fenced funding to tackle potholes.

We previously considered the petition in November 2023, when we agreed to write to the then Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Minister for Transport. We received a joint response from the then Deputy First Minister and Minister for Transport, which states that the fiscal outlook for the Scottish Government is expected to remain “challenging” and that “tough choices” will be required to ensure that resources are focused on the critical missions that are outlined in the Scottish Government’s policy prospectus. Since we received that reply, members will have noted that the 2024-25 budget bill included an increase in the budget for motorways and trunk roads.

In the light of everything that we have heard about the petition, do colleagues have any suggestions about what more the committee might do?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That might be going a bit beyond the reach of the petition. Mr Ewing has suggested a way of providing additional funds to support the petition’s aims. It is a reasonable suggestion, and I am happy to support it. We can share that view with our colleagues across all the various parties in the Parliament. Do members agree to close the petition?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you, Jackie Baillie. I should say that we, too, welcome Alfie. The tones of the committee members were soporific and he was very quiet earlier, but I notice that he has become very animated since you were speaking, Ms Baillie. I do not know what the moral conclusion from that might be.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I also suggest that we invite the relevant members who have been involved in the petition to accompany us on our visit. We could liaise with them about people we might see in order to draw some direct attention to this issue. Are members content with those suggestions?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

For our next petition, which was lodged by Lynne McRitchie, we are joined by a galaxy of talent—[Laughter.] Mr Ewing, please.

Lynne McRitchie is not with us today but there are supporters of the aims of the petition in the gallery. We are joined by Jackie Baillie MSP and Richard Leonard MSP. I cannot remember, Richard, whether you have been to one of these shindigs before or whether this is your first appearance. Did you come once before?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

That is right; I recall it now. Welcome to you both.

The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to stop the planned downgrading of established and high-performing specialist neonatal intensive care services across NHS Scotland from level 3 to level 2 and to commission an independent review of that decision in light of contradictory expert opinions on centralising services.

Neonatal units operate at three different levels: level 1 units provide special care, for example tube-feeding and intravenous antibiotic therapy; level 2 units provide specialised and high-dependency care, including assisted ventilation and short-term neonatal intensive care; and level 3 units provide the full range of medical neonatal medical care.

Following a review of maternity and neonatal services, the Scottish Government published a report entitled “The Best Start: A Five-year Forward Plan for Maternity and Neonatal Care in Scotland”, which recommended that a new model of neonatal services should be designed to accommodate the current levels of demand, with a smaller number of intensive care neonatal units.

The British Association of Perinatal Medicine’s framework recommends that neonatal intensive care units should admit at least 100 very low-birthweight babies a year and undertake at least 2,000 intensive care days per year. The perinatal group recommended the retention of three NICUs and that the remaining units be downgraded to level 2 neonatal units. As part of that change, the scope of the practice carried out by level 2 units will be wider than the previous level 2 definition.

The Scottish Government accepted the recommendations of the report, and work is under way to implement the new model of care. The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health’s response to the petition states that the intention with the new model of care is that mothers in suspected extreme pre-term labour will be transferred before they give birth to maternity units in the hospitals that have neonatal intensive care units. The submission states that those units will have expanded capacity. It is noted that it will not always be possible to transfer mothers before they give birth, and in those cases the specialist neonatal transfer service, ScotSTAR, will transfer those babies in specialist ambulances. The submission states that consultation will take place with families during the implementation phase.

I should say that Monica Lennon has joined us for this petition as well—I neglected to mention her earlier, as she was already sitting at the table. I invite Jackie Baillie to make some comments.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Jackson Carlaw

PE2013, which was lodged by Neil McNamara, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to introduce, without delay, a national dashcam safety portal, as already agreed by Police Scotland. The petition was last considered in October 2023. Following that meeting, we wrote to Police Scotland and the National Police Chiefs Council. Police Scotland’s response states that its digital evidence-sharing capability programme is fully funded for a period of 10 years. In the light of that, do members have any suggestions for action?